Proc RatesFollow

I just wanted to open a general discussion about proc rates.

My knowledge of the subject is infantile, so here's a couple in game speculations i hear commonly to get the ball started;

1) If a weapon has a required level for effect (Proc) that the higher above that level you are, the better the chance the weapon has to proc.

2) Dexterity increases the "chance to proc". From my experience I have only noticed significant difference from 220 Dex to Greater than 220 Dex.

3) Proc is a sequenced check, in that if a weapon has multiple procs, it will check in order like this;
1st proc pass! No other procs checked
1st proc fail! 2nd Proc Checked 2nd Proc pass! No other Procs checked
etc. etc.

Note: None of the above are credible claims! Like I said, this is all stuff that I have heard in game, kinda seen, and was hoping to get some clarification on through this forum.

Any info you can provide is much appreciated, thanks!

Komzur Nocht, 59th Shin Paladin of Marr
<Elite Voices>
Maelin Starpyre

attack rating doesnt touch procs... dex has an effect but not a huge one.

You have to keep in mind that not all proc effects have the same rate of firing off. For game balance sake, certain proc effects have a lesser (or greater) chance to go off when a proc check is made when you swing.

For example, the summoned proc hammers clerics use have an innate greater chance to proc per swing compared to other procing weapons. The opposite of that, a Steel Hilted Dagger has a horrible proc rate compared to other weapons, but is off-set by the fact that it procs a 625 max dmg DD (not counting criticals).

This rule also applies to procs that are spell based. The shaman buff proc line, for example, has an innate greater chance to proc per swing when you have the buff active compared to other spell proc buffs since it only lasts 1 minute.

Also, since it was not mentioned yet, the AA ability Weapon Affinity also affects your proc rate in addition to your Dex stat.

Finally, a mob's resistance has nothing at all to do with proc rates. That is a seperate check altogether, and does not affect how often your weapon procs.

Activity ensues. Let's begin a survey here, from which people can develop their own ideas about the Proc effects.

1: Conduct an in-game test of your procs on some average mobs, using the 1:00 game timer by watching your buffs. Repeat this a minimum of 3 times if you can.

2: Compile the quantities into an average or range per each proc

3: Post said information including level of toon, slot of weapons and augments, and dexterity.

I think it's time to take a closer examination of this stuff, because I noticed a friend proc'd the following in the instanced Unrest last night while i was on my Cleric timing.

My toon, 59 Cleric 194 Dex (Primary Weapon)
Hammer of Divinity: 9 ppm constant

55 Paladin 146 Dex (Primary Weapon)
Blade of Disruption: 4-5 ppm
Warm Emerald Shard: 2-3 ppm

. . .K. . om. .z..ur...
walking my path, picking up stinking piles of refuse.



Edited, Thu Jun 30 01:39:02 2005 by Komzur

Thanks Gbaji, excellent and professional response. I will recompile my datum over the next week, and do a follow up, with some accurate info.

My apologies for the misinterpretations about the Dex modifiers Reyla.

I am just freaking out that the only info i could dig up in my search on 4 sites (allakhazam's, Lucy's, Station, steelwarrior) about procs was the same old dex rule / summoned item proc-rate-mods / AA's I don't have.

My problem; my paladin's Divine Might procs almost as often as the hammer of divinity that my 2 box cleric wields. No one anywhere in game or in forums (that I have found) has been able to supply any "new" information as to the proc rates. Someone mentioned the spell buff procs seem to have bonuses based on shorter timers, that grabbed my attention. Also my weapon (which supposedly has a proc mod zero) hits 3ppm steady, and sometimes a 2ppm but it's rare, Edit (averaged 5ppm in 120:00 combat the date of this edit) and again, dex 224.

If anyone has any links to tests or other data please post it. I am most curious to hear your results from in game experiences, as opposed to forum analyzations. Thanks

Someday, there might be a way to calculate better when to expect a death claw. Warriors may already be holding another tool to the aggro issue. I may already have pushed myself to new levels of idiocy, past the boundaries of enjoying a game, but a rubix cube has presented itself. Eventually my stubborn pride will cause me to peel the stickers off and I will have to bury my folly in a trash can under some news papers.. Where is the thread self destruct button when you need it?

Final Edit Just did 2 weeks worth of parses? what the hell is a parse? no wait, i don't care. I tested proc rates anyway, ended up with a 5ppm average.. the 2ppm is wrong, you won't change my mind, despite your amazing links and other data. Either 1: Proc Rates have changed, or 2: there's incorrecxt information available about the BoD proc rate / Divine Might / warm emerald shard. Pretty much decided out of game info is only speculation based on population density of agreement and common findings. Welcome to majority rules, i still say 2ppm is wrong.

Edited, Thu Jul 14 02:38:27 2005 by Komzur

bottom line:

the accepted results are right.

there's has never been a parse finding otherwise that was not flawed.

for an accurate parse, you can't parse for three minute. real parses should be at least four hours long.

it's well known that there are different procrates depending on the weapon. the default proc rate = 100, so spirit of the panther (procrate 400) procs four times as often as default.

I tried to make it clear in my post that if you do not want to get into parsing and the technical aspects of proc rates, get your get DEX up and your attack up to simply hit monsters more.

You will not proc much if you miss 100% of the time. Although, as I also tried to make clear in my post, you can proc on a miss.

You can proc on a miss. I'm a battle shaman, and melee self-buffed with Panther, and proc on a miss quite often.

Also, you can proc twice on a single swing. I do not duel wield, nor double attack, and have plenty of times double-procced panther ON THE SAME SWING as my Hammer of Hours time lapse (750/1687) or Faerie Hex Stone aug stun (175/393).

What I'm wondering is this: everyone says 10 Combat Effects = 1 level of Weapon Affinity.... but how many procs per minute does one level of Weapon Affinity add?

I was under the assumption that combat effects added to the chance of a proc going off. Am I wrong?