I've been looking and from time to time, asking these questions but no one seems to know:
1) How does experience in shroud form work? If I kill a blue as a level 15 shroud, and my main character is level 15 - do I gain the same amount of experience in shroud form, as I would if I wasn't in shroud form?
2) What items can shrouds equip? I heard they can use mage-summoned pet weapons (Hand of Ix--- and the like), is this true?
3) Is it reasonable to, say, start a class that really can't solo, and use a shroud of a class that CAN solo, and level up in shroud form? Assuming you get all of your skills worked up on the main character, of course.
4) Can shrouds get buffed from other players?
Edited, Tue Feb 14 01:25:08 2006 by Maoukiji
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4. I know that shrouded players can be buffed.
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1) Yes.
3) LMAO. Sorry, but once you shroud you'll understand that. Shrouding is pathetic. The warrior I shrouded into tanked worse than my BST. Shrouding apparently was not meant to be an alternate way to play. Although, the time it takes you to level the shroud you'd think they would make them worth playing.
3) LMAO. Sorry, but once you shroud you'll understand that. Shrouding is pathetic. The warrior I shrouded into tanked worse than my BST. Shrouding apparently was not meant to be an alternate way to play. Although, the time it takes you to level the shroud you'd think they would make them worth playing.
1> Being a level 15 and Shrouding to a level 15 I think it would be simular to leadership 80% exp 20% Shroud exp. Only reason I say this is that you can progress to higher Shrouds, but I am guessing.
2> I have not found any gear that can be equiped while shrouded besides the weapons you get. This may come from the PoR exp.
3> Most the Shroud forms I have been in wouldn't be able to solo their way through a paper bag. Warrior, Cleric, Berzerker, Rogue, Enchanter, and Wizard. These are all have an average AC and HP, for someone of that level. Rogue is the best used as it gives you the ability to pick locks.
4> Shrouded players can accept any buff for that level.
Major advantages of Shrouds all pets and your buffs go into a suspended state. So you have been Raid buffed you could shroud and be in bazaar all night and have all your buffs the next day when you unshroud as if you were in the guild hall. Also with a pet, if you shroud before logging when you log back on you unshroud you will have your pet back with all gear and buffs.
Edited, Tue Feb 14 16:38:53 2006 by Krackum
2> I have not found any gear that can be equiped while shrouded besides the weapons you get. This may come from the PoR exp.
3> Most the Shroud forms I have been in wouldn't be able to solo their way through a paper bag. Warrior, Cleric, Berzerker, Rogue, Enchanter, and Wizard. These are all have an average AC and HP, for someone of that level. Rogue is the best used as it gives you the ability to pick locks.
4> Shrouded players can accept any buff for that level.
Major advantages of Shrouds all pets and your buffs go into a suspended state. So you have been Raid buffed you could shroud and be in bazaar all night and have all your buffs the next day when you unshroud as if you were in the guild hall. Also with a pet, if you shroud before logging when you log back on you unshroud you will have your pet back with all gear and buffs.
Edited, Tue Feb 14 16:38:53 2006 by Krackum
1. You get the experience for that mob. It is not very noticeable at level 70, but at lower levels it is. At level 70 it is nice to shroud and group with lower level friends (that would normally be green) and actaully get some exp on your main.
2. In the monster missions, any items that you get have "race: shroud". I haven't found anything that I can equip while in shroud form.
3. Due to the lack of good gear, many shrouds are severely under powered for their level. Yes, you could solo, but I don't think it would be very profitable.
4. Yes. I typically donate to the buffer and let them know that I'll be right back in shroud form.
2. In the monster missions, any items that you get have "race: shroud". I haven't found anything that I can equip while in shroud form.
3. Due to the lack of good gear, many shrouds are severely under powered for their level. Yes, you could solo, but I don't think it would be very profitable.
4. Yes. I typically donate to the buffer and let them know that I'll be right back in shroud form.
1-4: Shrouds sadly are a huge waste of time. I spent the time leveling (MASS MOB PLING via 70 druid) the berserker reptile shroud through the three options: basalisk, scaled wolf, and finally raptor. My 70 sk, who is not a "DPS class", can out dps the berserker shroud that is burning full offensive without the sk even turning on attack and no pet summoned. (SKs do not get that strong of dots and still it's no competition) Not to mention, my fast hitting one hander hits on average harder than the slow zerker shroud does. If any of the other shrouds are on par with the dps shrouds then I would just as soon start a lvl 1 cleric to play with my lvl 20 friends, would be about the same...
--Riszaak Liruek 70th wasted day leveling up shrouds
--Xirisx Stormwolf 70th pull that was over 15 zelniaks in DSP
--Hydeinshadaeuxs, 70th "I told you those were a waste of time" (spouse)
--Riszaak Liruek 70th wasted day leveling up shrouds
--Xirisx Stormwolf 70th pull that was over 15 zelniaks in DSP
--Hydeinshadaeuxs, 70th "I told you those were a waste of time" (spouse)
A related question then from someone who has very little shrouded experience... if you summon a pet in non-shrouded form, can you retain the pet if you get shrouded, and if so does the pet level change with you?
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if you summon a pet in non-shrouded form, can you retain the pet if you get shrouded, and if so does the pet level change with you?
No, the pet will get "suspended". Is why folks mentioned above that's a way to retain your pets.
i've got a shroud question.
what does it take to unlock the next stage of a shroud? at 65, shrouded down to a lvl 5 elemental warrior and hunted the qeynos newbie yard. granted, we're not talking massive xp mobs, but i know it's possible to level from 5-6 in a couple of hours solo just putzing around. i spent 3 hours killing dark blue and white con mobs with no change in the shroud progression percentage.
do i have shroud to my real level--ie use the lvl 65 warrior shroud --in order to get an appreciatable amount of xp to unlock the next stage?
Edited, Wed Feb 15 13:42:19 2006 by joev
what does it take to unlock the next stage of a shroud? at 65, shrouded down to a lvl 5 elemental warrior and hunted the qeynos newbie yard. granted, we're not talking massive xp mobs, but i know it's possible to level from 5-6 in a couple of hours solo just putzing around. i spent 3 hours killing dark blue and white con mobs with no change in the shroud progression percentage.
do i have shroud to my real level--ie use the lvl 65 warrior shroud --in order to get an appreciatable amount of xp to unlock the next stage?
Edited, Wed Feb 15 13:42:19 2006 by joev
Was that your first time as that particular shroud? If so, I think it takes hours to get your first percentage point in the progression. Then it really speeds up a lot.
I grouped with my first shroud in places like CharB for what seemed like hours of playtime to finally get that percentage point. Later I took a shroud at 10% into the progression to Blackburrow and got 1% about every 10 minutes solo.
I grouped with my first shroud in places like CharB for what seemed like hours of playtime to finally get that percentage point. Later I took a shroud at 10% into the progression to Blackburrow and got 1% about every 10 minutes solo.
yup, was my first time to do anything in a shroud that didn't involve scouting or camping for the night.
thanks for the heads-up joltin--was about ready to write off ever progressing a shroud so it's good to know it's just a matter of perseverance. =)
thanks for the heads-up joltin--was about ready to write off ever progressing a shroud so it's good to know it's just a matter of perseverance. =)
If all of this is true, Shrouds have got to be the worst thing SoE has ever introduced into EQ... Bah :(
The shrouds have a couple uses (but otherwise are useless):
1. You can shroud into a rogue to unlock doors for a raid or group. Mostly used in Howling Stones, Chardok and Old Selibis.
2. *Might be a bug/exploit*, but you could shroud as a rogue. Hide-and-sneak to the depths of the dungeon to where a group is. Die in shroud form. Remove the shroud form. Get rezzed by the group and you will pop as yourself. No idea if they have fixed this or if it is working as intended.
3. Shroud as a melee to help PL a caster. I can 3-box. I am leveling an enchanter. In the 30's, the mobs start hitting harder than the enchanter can really take. With another character, I shroud to the enchanter's level and group with the enchanter. The melee shroud takes the beating, and the enchanter just buffs and nukes randomly.
1. You can shroud into a rogue to unlock doors for a raid or group. Mostly used in Howling Stones, Chardok and Old Selibis.
2. *Might be a bug/exploit*, but you could shroud as a rogue. Hide-and-sneak to the depths of the dungeon to where a group is. Die in shroud form. Remove the shroud form. Get rezzed by the group and you will pop as yourself. No idea if they have fixed this or if it is working as intended.
3. Shroud as a melee to help PL a caster. I can 3-box. I am leveling an enchanter. In the 30's, the mobs start hitting harder than the enchanter can really take. With another character, I shroud to the enchanter's level and group with the enchanter. The melee shroud takes the beating, and the enchanter just buffs and nukes randomly.
I use shrouds to group with folks if they can use help but I don't have anything in range. For example, right now I can't group with anyone between the levels 20 and 35. Just because it's fun to group with folks I know I might join them with a wizard shroud. Yeah a regular level 30 wizard is way better than a level 30 shroud wizard, but extra DPS from a level 30 shroud is better than no extra DPS.
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I use shrouds to group with folks if they can use help but I don't have anything in range. For example, right now I can't group with anyone between the levels 20 and 35. Just because it's fun to group with folks I know I might join them with a wizard shroud. Yeah a regular level 30 wizard is way better than a level 30 shroud wizard, but extra DPS from a level 30 shroud is better than no extra DPS.
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IMO
this is exactly what shrouds are for. if you expect more out of them, then IMO your mistaken (except the other random uses, IE picking locks for raids, fun exploring places you can't get to yourself, ect). they are a way for you to get your friends to start playing EQ, and actualy get to group with them.
I use shrouds to group with folks if they can use help but I don't have anything in range. For example, right now I can't group with anyone between the levels 20 and 35. Just because it's fun to group with folks I know I might join them with a wizard shroud. Yeah a regular level 30 wizard is way better than a level 30 shroud wizard, but extra DPS from a level 30 shroud is better than no extra DPS.
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IMO
this is exactly what shrouds are for. if you expect more out of them, then IMO your mistaken (except the other random uses, IE picking locks for raids, fun exploring places you can't get to yourself, ect). they are a way for you to get your friends to start playing EQ, and actualy get to group with them.
But isn't that what monster missions are for? So higher levels can group with lower levels? I just don't understand what SOE was thinking when they introduced both shrouds and monster missions in the same expansion.
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But isn't that what monster missions are for? So higher levels can group with lower levels? I just don't understand what SOE was thinking when they introduced both shrouds and monster missions in the same expansion.
That, and to say be able to group when you can't find a tank or cleric. But it is pretty useless for that. They should have used the rankings to see what was average for the level, or use your own toon, but they didn't and shrouds are so weak. At least before the mm's, I never grouped with someone as ill-armored and weaponed as a shroud, at least at higher levels. So you shroud down to play with a lower level, and you get a lousy toon even for a lower level.
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