Everquest WikibooksFollow

sigh....if its dated then why would we go there?

I'll stick with Alla's
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Its already been done do a search for the eq wiki and add to the existing one..

Think I'll get an idea of where the info is from people who have over 10 posts. No offense but these guys have been posting since the game came out.

I realize this may be a bit inappropriate, however I think its something that needs to be renewed - a centralized location for General Everquest knowledge.
Don't get me wrong, Allakhazam is great; but only for detailed information, such as item data or spell data - not strategies, detailed class information such as solo/grouping styles, or even expansion data.

This is why I think everyone here with a little time on their hands should contribute to the Everquest Wikibook, a Wikipedia-created site for this very thing.

Most information on Everquest is severely dated, and not even Allakhazam has all the answers.

Frakkor, what exactly are you adding to this thread? You're reposting what I posted, without quoting, without adding anything new, etc.
What the hell? :p

Odzmye the Venerable: Exactly my point, however Frakkor just quoted me :P

Edited, Wed Feb 15 13:26:54 2006 by Maoukiji

*Whoosh* (Sound of the joke going over my head from earlier)
Compeltely missed that :p

We rely heavily on user-submitted information for this site. If we are that out of date, send us some up to date information - railus@allakhazam.com.

I would love to see some thorough guides up on the site.

Honestly don't see the traffic leaving here for an outdated wiki.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Hmm.

I find new information on this site before I see it in most other places. I think this site is kept up to date very well and it doesn't need anything like Wiki. And let folks go start a wiki and they'll see it is updated less often than this site once its time as flavor of the month passes.

Someone mentions real-time updating available in Wiki and all of the sudden this site is way out of date? I'm sure there is some small set of examples of outdated information but usually even that information is accompanied by newer information on the same topic. Still in comparison, there are tons more examples of timely, up-to-date information. I was reading about new mobs and drops from the revamped Lavastorm, for example, only days after it went live.



OK, here comes the slight rant (and I can't explain they way I feel about it - I haven't really figured it out yet). The whole phenomenon Wikipedia just seems wrong to me...

I like it that someone responsible reviews information before it is posted, which is the biggest drawback of Wiki. The fact alone that information here is reviewed before it is posted means this site is more credible than Wiki can ever hope to be. Yes, in Wiki you can undo changes after the fact and ban people like they did in the case of that Congressman editing his own bio a while back, but by then damage could already be done. After all, users might remove such information if they want to or feel like it because it's not their site, and last I checked Wikimedia has only 2 full time and 2 part time employees who cannot possibly keep up with the amount of pages contained within Wiki.

Wiki's trick is they've pulled off the idea that no one is responisble for anything posted on there. They aren't responsible, so they say, via their disclaimer.

So, on one hand they say nothing is guaranteed and no one is responsible for any garbage posted there, but in the next breath they break their own arms patting themselves on the back claiming how accurate they are.

And...
Not true according to Wikipedia... their disclaimer says there is "no formal peer review".

But no one seems truly accept the fact the Wiki has no safeguards against misuse and the idea of it as a reliable tool is so flimsy. Wiki supporters seem to pass off the misuse thing as some minor possibility and say stuff like "oh, but it'll happen so infrequently". Wait until someone posts the plans for some WMD on Wikipedia and before it can be removed it is viewed by terrorists. Any problems like this or security holes in open-source free products like Wiki violates the idea that there can be some Internet Utopia where no one has to pay for software or services.

That's my two cents.

I don't know. I guess I'm too much of a consumer. I want to pay for the piece of mind that I am getting a quality product developed and maintained by some real person who is personally responsible for the quality of their work (e.g. they're fired if they do a bad job, or their company stock will go down and they'll be bankrupt). Somehow I think the threat kicking someone off a purely volunteer project doesn't carry the same weight since they'll still be able to put food on thier family's table even if they leave some disasterous back door in a product like Wiki.


Edited, Thu Feb 16 17:26:47 2006 by JoltinJoe

You are completely missing my point, I meant that OTHER, OTHER sites are out of date. Allakhazam is great, perfect even, for Spell and item information, but severely lacking in terms of general knowledge.


There are informal teams that wikipedia foundation supports, please do your research.
Your attack towards wiki is unfounded and I am personally deeply offended by it. I regret making this post as I can see there is much ignorance here in terms of how Wikis work. Free knowledge that supports free editing is still immature, yes, but it is in no way, completely false - and is constantly changing and updating - any false information is eventually weeded out, unlike with information that is set in place by one person or a small group, who can receive false information from an untrustworthy source.


Once again, do your research before you spout faux knowledge. Any disclaimer on the wikipedia site is merely in place to prevent lawsuits related to libel.


...Why exactly is this a problem, when this information is already readily available?


Once again, an unfounded claim - the Open Source community has the benefit of having fair warning by security groups who have access to the source, pointing out exploits; whereas closed source projects, do not - it is a double edged sword



Indeed, using any source of knowledge as your sole means of research is a bad idea in general :p



This topic has gotten way off topic, and I'd just like to say that I won't be paying attention to it anymore as nearly every single person here has completely missed my point, a point that I would like to state again:
Allakhazam is a great site for detailed information such as spell, zone, monster, and item data.
However, general knowledge, as well as detailed (Non-spell/item) knowledge that delve into each class are severely lacking online (In general). This knowledge ranges anywhere from how a bard should swarm kite (I might add that EQDiva, once a great site, has not been updated for over two years), to what exactly you're paying for in each expansion.
As such, I simply suggested that those who have time and who wanted to - should look into Wikibooks, as it is a great, and easy way for many knowledgeable Everquestees to congregate and combine their knowledge in a way thats easy to navigate, and free for anyone to use or update.
If you have a problem with such a system, please don't see this thread as a way to express your hatred towards free speech or free knowledge, as it was not my intention to start a flame war.

I've used Wiki and found it pretty dependable as far as websites go.

I like the idea of free shared knowledge as much as free shared stuff.

It wouldn't replace something like Alla's for me though. That would kinda be like going to the library to check out the new top release videos. I see it as more of an information repository rather than up-to-date news.

It will be interesting to see how well EQ information stays up to date though over time.

Edited to add that I have used Wiki, but not for EQ.

Edited, Thu Feb 16 18:14:35 2006 by Elinda

I have a feeling that IS the situation at the moment with Alla, and probably has been for years...this is a very successful game website, and there is so much more info here than at any other site it is amazing.

Situation: here...someone with 14 posts to his name on this site says

"the info here is outdated"

...info that we all use day in and day out by the way, and people start chiming in with

"yeah!"

and

"outdated!".

Conclusion: We are being trolled in a big way.

Alla, no worries here my subscription continues bud.