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So, there's no chance of that changing?

It seems to me like people down vote posts that they don't agree with. I give my points of view in a clear, non-provocative manner. The ZAM forums seem to have a sort of caste system where like-minded people are at the top and anyone with a dissenting voice becomes a pariah.

If you are making a whole new FFXIVhead(?) forum, you should probably look into a more modern karma system that's fair to everybody.

In response to your reasoning, I don't think anyone would be able to use voting privileges to 'retaliate' because they wouldn't know who voted them down.

Edited, Apr 17th 2013 9:07pm by Killua125

I'm going to give you a little bit of advice here.

First, your posts aren't clear and non-provacative. They are Troll. What that means, is that your posts pretty much all argue a point, from which you have no base of reference or any inside knowledge, and then you subsequently refuse to accept any opposing viewpoints that are contrary to what you have already decided to believe. That is classic definition of Troll.

What you can do to correct this problem is completely delete your current account. Just get rid of it entirely. Then, start over and try not to be so close-minded and arrogant as if you have a clue what is even going on here.

This isn't a white knight forum. It never has been. Most of us, myself included, have been around since 1.0's massive fail and believe me I'm one of the ones who was most vocal about my disappointment. However, as improvements were made, my opinion changed and now I am no longer "cautiously optimistic"; I'm counting down the days to reactivating my account. The reason for that is because I don't allow blind hatred for systems in other games to cloud my judgment of this game. Your biggest problem is "hating" wow because of its great success. It is successful for a reason, and that reason isn't pretty graphics. It's systems that are accessible, make sense, and that promote fun gameplay. Yoshi-P taking lessons from that isn't the end of the world. On the contrary, it's the beginning of a new one.

As for the topic at hand, WoWhead is a terrific informational resource. A FFXIV equivalent would go a long way to keep the Zam brand relevant. I'd rather keep all my browsing in this one place than try to traverse another wiki, though the XI wiki for a time was excellent.

I'm pretty sure someone is immune to karma for the first few posts. (Ten, or so?) So someone can come in, make a few newbie mistakes, but clean up their act and quickly soar to Guru by being witty and conversational by post 100. It's happened to plenty of people.

Very few people actually bother with the "because I don't like you" for posters - hell, there are posters in the Asylum, in XI, and in other Cross site areas that I dislike intensively but have grudgingly rated up because they've made a good point. Systematically rating someone down, e.g. karma camping, is considered bad forum behavior and when suspected can be reported to a mod.

No, our current crop of trolls deserve every bit of bad karma they've earned. Just because they can't figure out why we're rating them down every post doesn't mean they deserve it any less.

The first time I ever joined an IRC chat channel, I was naive and asked them moderator of the first place I landed, "I heard you could download movies and stuff here?" Within a few minutes of an increasingly hostile conversation, I was kicked out of the channel. I didn't feel like I did anything wrong, but as it turns out the pure chat IRC places resented the download piracy places because they assumed they might eventually get IRC completely banned. (Fortunately for the fansub industry, Bittorent and Pirate Bay turned out to be easier targets. IRC is still where you go to find fansubbed anime you can't get anywhere else.)

No matter what forum ratings system is used, there will be people who just don't "get" the culture that the rest of the forum has built up, and will have trouble fitting in. The karma system at least empowers regular users to deal with bad behavior proactively instead of tattling to a mod any time someone says anything stupid.

My vote would be Mog-head actually

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I'm going to give you a little bit of advice here.

First, your posts aren't clear and non-provacative. They are Troll. What that means, is that your posts pretty much all argue a point, from which you have no base of reference or any inside knowledge, and then you subsequently refuse to accept any opposing viewpoints that are contrary to what you have already decided to believe. That is classic definition of Troll.

What you can do to correct this problem is completely delete your current account. Just get rid of it entirely. Then, start over and try not to be so close-minded and arrogant as if you have a clue what is even going on here.

This isn't a white knight forum. It never has been. Most of us, myself included, have been around since 1.0's massive fail and believe me I'm one of the ones who was most vocal about my disappointment. However, as improvements were made, my opinion changed and now I am no longer "cautiously optimistic"; I'm counting down the days to reactivating my account. The reason for that is because I don't allow blind hatred for systems in other games to cloud my judgment of this game. Your biggest problem is "hating" wow because of its great success. It is successful for a reason, and that reason isn't pretty graphics. It's systems that are accessible, make sense, and that promote fun gameplay. Yoshi-P taking lessons from that isn't the end of the world. On the contrary, it's the beginning of a new one.

As for the topic at hand, WoWhead is a terrific informational resource. A FFXIV equivalent would go a long way to keep the Zam brand relevant. I'd rather keep all my browsing in this one place than try to traverse another wiki, though the XI wiki for a time was excellent.

Are we reading the same forum?

Once the game is actually launched my hope is that we can discuss thing that are..you know..actually in the game. For now we're reduced to speculation. It's why I'm not so strict with off topic threads right now. Once the NDA lifts I'll be a little more vigilant.

I don't understand. Yoshi-P has publicly named World of Warcraft as his main inspiration, and you just want people to ignore the similarities?

If anything, I would probably expect more people to make the comparison once Open Beta starts and the NDA lifts...

I really don't know why it would bother you.