Will keeping 1.0's levels do more harm than good?Follow

I believe Duty Finder is cross servers? Not sure if they cross legacy servers.. But this could help with that some, for those who dont have every job capped or maybe want to experience all the content even low level.. But if it conects all servers non-legacy adn legacy alike, this would help.

I've said for a long time if SE can't convince the older players that they are missing out by not starting over then that is a measure of failure. I don't think it hurts the game in the long run. I personally want to begin again to experience all the new content. It sounds like I'm not the only one either.

They cannot wipe character data for 1.0 players, two plus years is too long a time invested. They would have multiple law suits attempted against them. To pretend that players who have been there from the start will have oodles of undone content similar to an ARR beginner is ludicrous.

So what incentive would a 1.0 player have to start from the beginning beside personal preference? I would say to experience the slightly altered main scenario or any main progress quests from beginning to end and leveling a new race.

Personally If I was in charge I would say we won't wipe your data, you can keep all your story and quests progress if you wish. But I would omit the option to change race for 1.0 players without creating a new character. The new races were not implemented during 1.0 anyways. So to stake a right to do this is the same as stating that anytime a new expansion creates new races, they should be allowed to race change once on their main character. I know many people would disagree with this though.

Bottom line is that with the current options. Some players may wish to wipe previous data, maybe just create a new additional character, or stick with their current character. There is not a huge forced incentive to start over that I am aware of currently.

SE could wipe data, but they'd be stupid to do so. They'd drive off a large number of their most loyal customers.

I'm fortunate because although I have a few jobs at lvl 50, I refused to power level very much, so I still have plenty of jobs that I can take through all the low-level content. Hopefully the content/party finder tool works across new and former-player servers, too.

I think there are even benefits for new players to start on the "Legacy" servers. Think about it. There will be congestion in the low-level areas on both server types, but the lowbie congestion on the Legacy servers will not be nearly as intense for such a long period of time. As long as the party finder really works across all servers, I'd almost recommend for anyone to start on a Legacy server.

The only downside to doing so would be starting off with an economic disadvantage, but if a good deal of gear is available through dungeons, then that could be largely a moot point until hitting endgame.

There are many people with max characters starting over. More power to them. I may not be entirely correct about this, but its usually people who haven't done much in 1.0 that keep calling for a wipe. Mostly those that don't have much progress to to lose. Maybe it's because a person with maxed characters knows the effort, that it's their choice to start over, and they shouldn't impose it on others?

For some reason they always sound jealous/bitter/anxious about something. The 'new player' only servers pretty much make anything they could have an issue with, moot. Square-Enix screwed this game up, not the gamers. Asking them to impose negative penalties on people who played serves what purpose? Make you feel better?



You already know why many people would disagree, yet you still persist in trying to force people to do what you want them to do. What would that restriction do? Make a particular group feel better that the older players "lost" some how? Seems petty.



Well, since everyone wont be at cap, I guess we'll never know.

I started FFXI at ps2 Launch in the US. I understand the large advantage the JP had, and quickly found out I'd never catch up. Again, new starting servers/simultaneous launch solves that. I'm content in getting the "new game" feel from Arcanist. If I run out of content, that'd be my fault now wouldn't it?

I suppose It'd be pointless to start any MMO after some time has passed. That new player would be so disadvantaged.

Inb4 "Check your Legacy Privilege"

A lot of games do do this - open new servers specifically aimed at new players/fresh starts. It just means the game has to be successful or it's going to be a dead server.

Right, but they're typically pretty bad about promoting it. At least insofar as I have seen.

Not me, I'm definitely going to be torn though if you guys choose a fresh start server.... I want to keep my crap. The gil I'm not overly concerned about, but I EARNED the primal weapons I have along with a few other things. As a semi-casual player I can't really justify throwing the levels I earned away either. However, I DO want to be with our community in game :(

Eh?



Preventing an old player from experiencing what the new players can, due to a failed game isn't discrimination? Who's superior? New people get their own servers.



I always thought privileges were unearned benefits. I recall going to work, and paying for 90 days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUhXMGO7Cfw

I wonder how many people would have continued playing knowing their progress would be wiped? I suppose that's why it was announced very early that progress carried over. The idea behind ARR has nothing to do with any of your strange parental analogies, it's what the game should have been. It's also knowing that you screwed up, and you must now take ownership and fix it. Placing arbitrary restrictions hinders that. Allowing old players to switch races doesn't hurt new players.

There are new customizations like hair/color/body size etc that were't available at 1.0 launch. Preventing them from changing does what? I'm asking you. What purpose does that serve? Is that not a penalty for having an old character? There is no purpose for that, other than making new players feel like they have something over old players. There is a HUGE difference in you being responsible for creating your character in a finished product, and a company re-releasing a complete game, and allowing you more complete options at later time, after creating a failed product. ARR isn't an expansion, try to stay on point. This game doesn't lock you into a role like other MMOs that encourage multiple characters to experience different jobs. Even though people clamor for new races, I doubt very much that he'll comply.

You agree that people shouldn't lose their hard work/progress. Yet for some reason, you placed a restriction on them. As if, because they have progress, they should lose at something else. The inability to transfer servers is a restriction that actually serves a purpose. New players should get fresh servers. The old players had their fresh servers.




Edited, Apr 29th 2013 8:41pm by GDLYL

Even with the race restriction no one would be stopping you from creating a new character. What can a new player experience that you wouldn't be able to or have experienced? In this case the 1.0 servers are superior. At least you had the chance to play the game, broken or not. Console players were denied that chance. New servers is SE's way of letting console players know, sorry for the wait. While the other side got one year of free access, names in the credits, and helped shape the game into something better.

Privileges can be given earned or unearned. In the old days, people were born into nobility or wealth. So they did not personally earn that privilege. In a present day company, they might have company bbqs or other perks provided you did a good job to show appreciation.

SE is not forcing a character wipe. My analogies make perfect sense. And no ARR is not what the game should have been. The original version should have released full featured, bug free, lag free, etc. ARR is a new version directed by a new director and has drastically changed into a different game from the original in almost every way besides the title. Early previews say the ARR version is better but it's still different.


Customizing a race you chose previously is very different from selecting a whole other race and starting from scratch. It's like equipping new armor. Equipping new armor doesn't change your lore, family, or what not. The original version might have released dismally compared to triple A mmos. But it did release as what someone there deemed a finished product. You are right, ARR is no expansion. It is basically a brand new game. But even if it was an expansion which introduced new races. Are you telling me that should be able to change races each and every time a new race is implemented at different points in time?
The game will shift to whatever demand calls for. So if enough people clamor for new races, it will be done at some point.

What restriction would make them lose something? You cannot be punished/penalized/have taken away for something you didn't have before. I agree with your quote about me saying people shouldn't lose their hard work/progress. You capped your current progress on whatever race you chose. Had you capped it on one of the new races, I would see your point. You would still be free to either start fresh with a new race or continue with your current race and keep your progress. A restriction would mean you had no choice.

Anyways I am not the director and my points are hypothetical. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

You can't tell me I'm right, it's not an expansion. Then change my words to make it seem like I'm asking for race changes after future expansions. Stay on point please. A failed MMO and a reboot, isn't the same as a success followed by an expansion. If it were so, we wouldn't be having this conversation. There is no precedent for this. I think S-E would classify this as exigent circumstance.

True, you aren't. I was just trying to ascertain why people usually feel the need to bring others down a notch, just so they feel better, and what reasons they give to justify it. (In the FFXIV community context) The confirmation for old players to re create is there. It was just perplexing why you would personally omit it, if you had your way. Meaning, you're against SE allowing old players to do so. You aren't legacy I take it?

If you don't mind me asking, what did the Lineage II's Grim Collector entail? I didn't play it. I think people are gonna be doing 1/10th conversions for awhile. I know I am. If I wouldn't pay 3 mil for an item in 1.0, I sure as hell wont pay 300k in ARR.

I'd just go where the friend goes lol, It's only one level 50 class. Unless you had others leveled, but just not 50. It would be nice to have a PLD 50 to farm with though! My friends can go kick rocks, they quit, came back for legacy, and quit again. They're stuck with me!

This too. I saved all of my crafting for 2.0, and my highest craft is 40 Blacksmith, leveled out of necessity from 50 mining.

I also saved Paladin and Monk to level in ARR, and was only powerleveled on WHM, mainly because my ls desperately needed more WHMs to run content.


Lastly, with the very probable overhaul to jobs and their abilities, it wouldn't surprise me to have to go through the questlines for your jobs again to unlock some abilities. But, again, I was a big fan of the storyline in 1.0 and want to continue that progress, not start anew as some lowly adventurer.

I saved the godamned world, I'll be damned if I won't be rewarded for it.