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Because you can't stomp WP badly enough in all i110 as it is?

It's more along the lines of: "Why can't I use my gear I worked for? Especially if you're FORCING me back into these obsolete dungeons?" I highly doubt it has to do with wanting to make life hell for a new tank but you do realize the zodiac quest forces you into the duty right? So ilevel capping older content makes...almost no sense at all when you're more than likely outgearing it due to natural progression.

It's funny in a way because Yoshida dislikes horizontal progression but will willingly gut our vertical progression because we'd be "too strong." It doesn't bother me personally but it's not hard to see why someone would dislike not getting full use out of their gear due to an ..quite needless ilvl cap on a MAX level dungeon.



Edited, Jan 18th 2015 7:36am by Theonehio

I definitely realize that the zodiac weapon quest requires you to do dungeons like that. Do you realize that it's because newer players still need people queuing for those dungeons so they can get them done? This is a way to get experienced players in to older dungeons to help newer players out. Right now this system makes it so the only major stumbling block to new player progression is CT, and they're working on addressing that one.

I do get it. It feels bad to have your gear handicapped. But for the people running those dungeons because they need them for progression, it probably feels worse to just be totally incapable of keeping up.

Maybe there was a better way to address the problem? I don't know, but this way isn't horrible.

I am not disagreeing with you because I dont know how I feel but I am not always sure experienced players going back and running lower level dungeons is a good thing especially without a level cap.. I see these new players just getting carried, they dont learn nothing. They dont realize how hard the fights really are. I even now see them complaining sometimes going that's it. We did WP with a new tank a while back and the dragoon without level caps could not stop pulling hate no matter what he did. That poor tank, the Dragoon pretty much tanked the whole dungeon.. I just dont think this is good for anyone..I see new players get into Garuda HM lights fight and they lay there dead till the end.. How is that good or fun for them? Right now there seems to be a lot of new player so yea ques might be a little long but tnot too bad but we all went through this..

Personally if I have to run a dungeon I dont want caps but it is for selfish reasons... I dont want to do these dungeons again, I am tired of them and just want to get through them fast. I hate AV because of the cap. But I dont think not having caps is good for new players and that is the reason we being forced back for the new players so it should somehow benefit them.


I guess I can see all sides on this. i100 is a stupid level to cap things at though, it is way too high o make a difference.

Edited, Jan 19th 2015 9:25am by Nashred

Allegan Catalyst is a crafting component in many things, including the ilvl110 crafted weapons.

Funny thing, the quest that has you get the upgrade items for Ironworks, requires you to go through all 3 Crystal Town runs, which all now drop allagan catalysts. The quest also gives you an Allagan Catalyst.

So... half right. SE did use the upgrade items to make people do all 3 Crystal Towers again. But Allagan Catalyst isn't the upgrade item, but instead the material for the weapon upgrades.

Both guesses were right, just not in the manner of which I thought they would be. Crystal Tower as a whole, still gets encouraged to be participated in.

Because people have no patience at all. I did AK hard last night and I d/c right before the last boss. I log back in two minutes later and they had already kicked me.

As I figured, people are either not used to doing older content that requires some form of thinking (not straight zerg) or some just flatout don't care - Doing Labyrinth again makes me want to get my wisdom teeth out a 2nd time instead. People zerg down Bone Dragon thinking it will do nothing because: "RAWR IM ILVL130 I'M BETTER THAN YOU", only to wipe the full raid..4 times.

Finally get to Titan...err final boss, they try to zerg him down past first ancient flare..it's not gonna happen lol. People also ignore mechanics in the bomb fight - you still need to kill adds and rotate the batraals, and no one tank cannot tank all 3 at once. This is exactly what I feared about being forced back into obsolete content, because people will treat it as such for the most part and sadly, it doesn't work that way on heavily mechanic driven fights lol.

Well I am seeing a few other things too, Seems this happens after every patch.. Allot of the Bholes in the game are those who come back for the patches and leave latter, 3 or 4 weeks after the patches stuff settles down because they go do what ever it is they do. Trash talking and trolling are back..

Another thing is since lights and Garuda HM people think they can stand in AOES and the healers are supposed to heal them up.. With this new hard content it can be hard enough keeping the tank healed up.. Allot of the tanks are not sidestepping AOES either. Come on people your are not over geared for this new content and should get out of the way.. Allot of dragoons and ninjas are the worst at this right now.




Edited, Jan 23rd 2015 10:56am by Nashred

Well there is always bad players of all jobs and it is not all ninjas and DRG, there are some very good ones. But it seems laziness has set in for quite a few and they no longer dodge aoes. And for ninjas they are so paper thin it is so noticeable especially as a Healer.. Everyone also misses them sometimes..





Edited, Jan 23rd 2015 12:21pm by Nashred

That's one of the many reasons i dont understand people during Light farms sometimes.

Ifrit for example. Killing all 4 nails makes him jump up and deal 1500 damage to everyone. That's cool.
During light farm people will shout at you if you even HIT the 4th nail. You're apparently supposed to ignore it and take 3500 damage instead from the following blast.
It is literally an extra 5 seconds to kill the 4th nail. 5 seconds of DPS you lose, if that. It wouldnt be so bad if people decided on this in a Party Finder group, but this happens in Duty Finder all the time. Even when there's several people in the group doing it for their win with ~3000 HP. They will get shouted at for hitting the 4th Nail, they'll ignore it, then people will die, then others will die because they were left with 1500 HP and stood in some AoE, it's just terrible. Will just make you lose valuable DPS in the long run. It doesnt make the fight any quicker or smoother if you ignore the last nail.

Same with Garuda. "Ignore all the adds", "Ignore the sisters". Sure, works perfectly when everyone is there for lights, AND also when everyone follows the same strategy, AND if every single person there is geared properly.. If one person stops DPS on Garuda and goes for the adds, she wont get to 50% quickly enough, the feathers will have more time to hurt the rocks, and people will take more damage. But alright, fair enough, not dramatic yet. Then there's the sisters. Sure, if you focus on Garuda you will kill her before the sisters can blast you 9 out of 10 times. That's true. But they will still rip people appart meanwhile, and even as a tank i am not allowed to touch them and should just continue to DPS Garuda :/ It's just rediculous. Especially when the blast still happens on less optimal groups and wipes everyone but the tanks out and maybe a healer who saw it comming and stoneskinned him/herself.



Edited, Jan 23rd 2015 7:09pm by KojiroSoma

Oh trust me I pay attention because I like to see why people died, especially when it's continually stated: "lag!", I start watching people closely. NIN/DRG is most noticable because sad to say, more bad players flood to it. MNK is also a melee and I hardly see the same death rates, even on new content that I do with NIN and DRG. The sad part is, NIN has something MNK doesn't - It can still pop put out damage while dodging (Ninjitsu/Dagger Toss) DRG also has Piercing Talon, so in essence they don't truly lose DPS while dodging, it may be 'costly', but if you're that worried about your dps you won't dodge..some dps is better than dying and losing ALL of your DPS and on DPS checks, e.g Odin/T13 you dying hurts everyone lol.

BLM is most noticable of the ranged because they, like SMN, have to stop and cast for their rotation so when their DPS is low, it's because they're continually having to move about. When a BRD dies it's VERY noticable because as said..BRD is one of the few DPS that should never be dying to things you can dodge because unlike others, they can move and dps without breaking a sweat or tempo. So I definitely get what you're saying, but it's just like you can't ignore a bad tank - you know it when you see it.

It's good for soloing when you need to have a ranged attack and in pretty much no other situation. You absolutely, definitely would never use it on a boss unless you had no other choice.

Throwing Dagger is a little different because NIN doesn't suffer from quite the same TP problems a DRG does (we get quite a bit back over a fight because of all the ninjutsu). But it's still quite bad. I'll occasionally toss one at an add or something; it depends on whether shikuchi is available and what my ninjutsu timer looks like.

These abilities, despite the fact that they technically exist, are nowhere near "no loss of dps while moving." As Hyrist says here, they are often more of a dps loss than just doing nothing.