Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that putting the game on PS3 was a really bad move?
I recently tried the PS3 version and even after holding the game back in so many ways, it only plays at like 5 frames per second on the PS3 half the time. So it was all for nothing.
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I've really never had it run on PS3 *that* badly, except in hunts. That was the only real aspect of the game for me that it definitely could not run well.
Fynlar wrote:
I've really never had it run on PS3 *that* badly, except in hunts. That was the only real aspect of the game for me that it definitely could not run well.
Sadly, that's hardly a PS3 exclusive issue. There's plenty of people who crash on PC with hunts going on.
No we cant.
PS3 came with a PS4 upgrade for free - providing an entry level buy in to get players to potentially invest in PS4 and the game both. Sony and SE both make out on the deal and we end up with more potential good players.
Also, for me, it's a great alternative to dragging over a huge computer to my girlfriend's place to visit before we get the PS4. Yes, the graphics suck and I can't really raid well or do hunts, but there's a bunch of other pursuits I can casually do on the PS3 in the game.
So, we can't all agree. Because we don't all have the same situation or opinions. I'd thank you to take time away from the negative lean in your opinions and start looking at ways people benefit, rather than are slighted, from design choices - even if you don't agree with them.
PS3 came with a PS4 upgrade for free - providing an entry level buy in to get players to potentially invest in PS4 and the game both. Sony and SE both make out on the deal and we end up with more potential good players.
Also, for me, it's a great alternative to dragging over a huge computer to my girlfriend's place to visit before we get the PS4. Yes, the graphics suck and I can't really raid well or do hunts, but there's a bunch of other pursuits I can casually do on the PS3 in the game.
So, we can't all agree. Because we don't all have the same situation or opinions. I'd thank you to take time away from the negative lean in your opinions and start looking at ways people benefit, rather than are slighted, from design choices - even if you don't agree with them.
Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
Fynlar wrote:
I've really never had it run on PS3 *that* badly, except in hunts. That was the only real aspect of the game for me that it definitely could not run well.
Sadly, that's hardly a PS3 exclusive issue. There's plenty of people who crash on badly outdated PCs with hunts going on.
Fixed that for you.
Turin wrote:
Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
Fynlar wrote:
I've really never had it run on PS3 *that* badly, except in hunts. That was the only real aspect of the game for me that it definitely could not run well.
Sadly, that's hardly a PS3 exclusive issue. There's plenty of people who crash on badly outdated PCs with hunts going on.
Fixed that for you.
Touché!
Turin wrote:
Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
Fynlar wrote:
I've really never had it run on PS3 *that* badly, except in hunts. That was the only real aspect of the game for me that it definitely could not run well.
Sadly, that's hardly a PS3 exclusive issue. There's plenty of people who crash on badly outdated PCs with hunts going on.
Fixed that for you.
This just in: PCs holding back PC version of game. Story at 11.
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Posted: Feb 01 2015 at 4:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You didn't even mention the PS3 limitations the game will have moving forward though.
PS3 holds none of the other two back, however. There are quite a number of self-limitations that the game can do on the other two systems that PS3 cant, and the pledged support for PS3 isn't permanent due to the opportunity for a free upgrade. You're inventing a problem that does not exist.
Simply put, 'PS3 limitations' dictated one thing - the zone format of the game. Just because without it, they could do things you would want, does not mean it would be a design decision intelligent for the game itself.
This happens for every game that works on multple platforms, and it's almost always ********* FFXI has gotten UI and graphical updates in spite of being a PS2 title. This was a loaded question to ask to begin with.
Simply put, 'PS3 limitations' dictated one thing - the zone format of the game. Just because without it, they could do things you would want, does not mean it would be a design decision intelligent for the game itself.
This happens for every game that works on multple platforms, and it's almost always ********* FFXI has gotten UI and graphical updates in spite of being a PS2 title. This was a loaded question to ask to begin with.
Hyrist wrote:
This was a loaded question to asktroll to begin with.
svlyons wrote:
Hyrist wrote:
This was a loaded question to asktroll to begin with.
This. Without PS3 and PS4 this game would not be doing anywhere near as well as it is...
Rochetm wrote:
svlyons wrote:
Hyrist wrote:
This was a loaded question to asktroll to begin with.
This. Without PS3 and PS4 this game would not be doing anywhere near as well as it is...
To understand the PC purists you need to apply a mindset where the devs just keep throwing money at the game with no concern for weaker revenues. In that world PS3 is indeed holding the game back.
lass5 wrote:
Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that putting the game on PS3 was a really bad move?
I recently tried the PS3 version and even after holding the game back in so many ways, it only plays at like 5 frames per second on the PS3 half the time. So it was all for nothing.
I recently tried the PS3 version and even after holding the game back in so many ways, it only plays at like 5 frames per second on the PS3 half the time. So it was all for nothing.
Well it remains to be seen but I do believe it is holding back the game and players. The PS3 creates some lag and if you have a laggy connection on top of it it makes things really hard. I know when Tes played on the PS3 between the lag on the ps3 and our slight internet lag she had to be a much better player to beat content. Once she switched to the PS4 instantly things became way easier.
They could not push any of the raids any harder because of the ps3. With ST when Tes used the ps3 occasionally stuff would not show up already..
PS3 users dont realize what they are missing though unless they sit next to someone on a PS4 or PC. It actually has different animations for allot of things like fireworks or even minions. I dont think 1/2 even realise they dont see allot of the people around them.. I have a friend on a pS3 and if we are in Revenant's toll, or in any busy area he can never see me unless we are in party.. I can wave to him or what ever and I do not show up because the ps3 can only show so many characters.
I dont think it was a mistake launching it on a ps3 though. It brought in allot players and allot of them have switched to a ps4 and some to a pc.
Edited, Feb 2nd 2015 12:50pm by Nashred
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PS3 isn't holding anything back, but let's not sugar coat the fact that FFXIV on the PS3 runs about as well as playing on a 7 year old PC. Biggest problems are lag and load times. I've got a nice gamer PC, a 7 year old Dell, PS3, PS4, and a bootcamped 2014 Mini Mac. My wife and I would play with our son, with him on the PS3, all in the same house. After many times of telling him to do things in game, I went to see the PS3 in action and sure enough, it lagged terribly. It's fine for gathering, crafting, and general play, but it disappoints in serious party play.
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I think they made the right decision to extend the PS4 upgrade another year. Most people are replacing their PS3s gradually; there was a big rush at Christmas, of course, but people are also getting them for birthdays or anniversaries. I probably won't get my PS4 until I have my high interest student loans under $10,000.
lass5 wrote:
Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that putting the game on PS3 was a really bad move?
I recently tried the PS3 version and even after holding the game back in so many ways, it only plays at like 5 frames per second on the PS3 half the time. So it was all for nothing.
I recently tried the PS3 version and even after holding the game back in so many ways, it only plays at like 5 frames per second on the PS3 half the time. So it was all for nothing.
PS3 isn't limiting this game in any significant manner. The guy in charges limits it more than the platforms ever will. Some folks at SE even said he was against some ideas, a few of which aren't limited by the PS3.
I want to say that I saw an interview where SE admitted that having the PS3 version come out allowed them to have a second launch for the game. That was an acknowledgement of the poorly received 1.0 launch. I'm not sure that A Realm Reborn would have come out if they didn't think that it was going to work like that.
The PS3 version is not terrible. There are noticeable pauses when connecting to the instance server, but I don't recall any major problems in the dungeon/primal battles themselves. Titan HM was harder at the time, but I'm better at the game now than I was, both skill-wise and equipment-wise. I can't say for sure that it was hardware and not player related.
The PS3 version is not terrible. There are noticeable pauses when connecting to the instance server, but I don't recall any major problems in the dungeon/primal battles themselves. Titan HM was harder at the time, but I'm better at the game now than I was, both skill-wise and equipment-wise. I can't say for sure that it was hardware and not player related.
I still see far more PC players fail content more than I see PS3 players fail content, so I can safely say hardware has very little weight on content design at least. If you have a terrible netcard, you will suffer that is true. But just because it's on PS3 or PS4? Nope.
The only limitation the PS3 has/caused is regarding memory, which every MMO suffers from, because despite MMOs being PC only, they don't even do a quarter of what XI or XIV 1.x accomplished and XI and ARR is "held back" by the console. PSO2 does quite a lot and it's basically a "console" MMO in terms of design since the original PSO was a Dreamcast MMO. So in all reality, you're more likely to see the developer say: "no we don't want to do this/want this/would confuse the new player" than you would see: "PS3 limitations, sorry we can't add new zones." or something else significant. Even during XI days, PS2 limitations was a polite way to say "no" to a lot of features - We suddenly can't have all that we were told: "PS2 limitations, can't do that fox" without the game being massively overhauled and if they overhauled it, why didn't they completely update it? So whenever you hear "console limitations" a lot of it is a nice way to put down a suggestion/request.
Memory can be overcome by doing creative ways of developing, but some features just simply aren't worth the investment.
Edited, Feb 2nd 2015 12:20pm by Theonehio
The only limitation the PS3 has/caused is regarding memory, which every MMO suffers from, because despite MMOs being PC only, they don't even do a quarter of what XI or XIV 1.x accomplished and XI and ARR is "held back" by the console. PSO2 does quite a lot and it's basically a "console" MMO in terms of design since the original PSO was a Dreamcast MMO. So in all reality, you're more likely to see the developer say: "no we don't want to do this/want this/would confuse the new player" than you would see: "PS3 limitations, sorry we can't add new zones." or something else significant. Even during XI days, PS2 limitations was a polite way to say "no" to a lot of features - We suddenly can't have all that we were told: "PS2 limitations, can't do that fox" without the game being massively overhauled and if they overhauled it, why didn't they completely update it? So whenever you hear "console limitations" a lot of it is a nice way to put down a suggestion/request.
Memory can be overcome by doing creative ways of developing, but some features just simply aren't worth the investment.
Edited, Feb 2nd 2015 12:20pm by Theonehio
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