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#1 Feb 03 2011 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
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I want to preface this by saying that I'm a lifetime member, but I haven't played in years, so I'm going to have some very noob questions about parts of the game I probably wont see for months, please don't feel the need to spare your criticism, I'd rather get the right details and feel like an idiot than be happily ignorant.

Please point out where my assumptions are incorrect.

After reading several Legendary Item FAQs and guides, I've surmised that there are three kinds of legendary weapons, First Age, Second Age, and Third Age.

Third Age have the least amount of points to spend ranking up legacies, and First Age have the most.

There are relics, (settings, gems and runes) that can be associated with (placed in?) these weapons. My question: does every legendary item have a slot for one setting, one gem and one rune, or is this something that varies?

Legendary items come unidentified, all you see on them is their description and the DPS? and upon identification they gain 2-4 legacies? Is this random, or do different level/age items have different chances to get certain numbers/types of legacies?

Upon reforging, legendary weapons gain additional legacies on the first three reforges? Does this mean that the mx number of legacies a weapon can get is 4+1+1+1 = 7 (plus the DPS as a legacy as a default) so 8 in total?

I see that the level requirement for 2nd and 3rd age seems to vary from 58 to 65, but first age only come with level reqs of 60, I'm not sure if I'm misinterpreting this as a level requirement... I know that theres a level required to equip/associate, the item's level, the rank of a legacy and that legacies tier, so it seems counter-intuitive to me that a 1st age weapon would have a lower required level to equip than a 3rd age one, thats why I think I've got the whole mess confused.

Do legacy weapons have any additional modifiers on them besides the legacies, relics and title? Or is a 1st age warden's spear going to look exactly like every other 1st age wardens spear until you identify it, then after identification the only things that will be different is the 2-4 legacies that were rolled?

Assuming I'm actually in a position to get a legendary weapon do I need to worry about anything other than what type it is, what age it is, and the legacies I get on it? (because everything else can be changed, like how the points are distributed, what relics are in it and what title it has?)


Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer these questions. Also on a side note, are there any better sites to check out for lotro info (I'm especially interested on hwo the loot generation/dropping works)

Thanks!


#2 Feb 03 2011 at 8:49 PM Rating: Excellent
phoenixcws wrote:
After reading several Legendary Item FAQs and guides, I've surmised that there are three kinds of legendary weapons, First Age, Second Age, and Third Age.


Yup

phoenixcws wrote:
Third Age have the least amount of points to spend ranking up legacies, and First Age have the most.


True, but remember that level 65 First Age LIs don't exist yet. Also, especially for classes that aren't as dependent on weapon damage and typically require a very specific set of legacies to be viable in some content, a Third Age with the correct legacies and appropriate level is much better than a First Age with the wrong ones. You can check out, run to 30 and deconstruct a whole lot of Third Age ones to find the near-optimum one in the time that it will take to score a First Age that may turn out to be worthless.

phoenixcws wrote:
There are relics, (settings, gems and runes) that can be associated with (placed in?) these weapons. My question: does every legendary item have a slot for one setting, one gem and one rune, or is this something that varies?


This is constant. Also be aware that at 65 you will most likely want a level 65 base LI and a self crafted relic which requires having a maxed with maxed guild crafter of some sort. The crafted relics are too cool to ignore.


phoenixcws wrote:
Legendary items come unidentified, all you see on them is their description and the DPS? and upon identification they gain 2-4 legacies? Is this random, or do different level/age items have different chances to get certain numbers/types of legacies?


There is a bit of a method to their madness but it's still mostly random.
On ID it's going to get "A Pool legacies"
On reforges at 10, 20 and 30 it's more likely to be "Pool B" with a chance (reported but unverified to be 10%) of being a "Pool A".

This explains it better than I ever could

phoenixcws wrote:
Upon reforging, legendary weapons gain additional legacies on the first three reforges? Does this mean that the mx number of legacies a weapon can get is 4+1+1+1 = 7 (plus the DPS as a legacy as a default) so 8 in total?


Pretty much. 4 on ID is relatively rare though and odds are you will only have the points to really crank up 3 maybe 4 legs anyway.

phoenixcws wrote:
I see that the level requirement for 2nd and 3rd age seems to vary from 58 to 65, but first age only come with level reqs of 60, I'm not sure if I'm misinterpreting this as a level requirement... I know that theres a level required to equip/associate, the item's level, the rank of a legacy and that legacies tier, so it seems counter-intuitive to me that a 1st age weapon would have a lower required level to equip than a 3rd age one, thats why I think I've got the whole mess confused.


61+ First Ages don't exist in game yet and from what I gather, when they do it will be 65 only.

phoenixcws wrote:
Do legacy weapons have any additional modifiers on them besides the legacies, relics and title? Or is a 1st age warden's spear going to look exactly like every other 1st age wardens spear until you identify it, then after identification the only things that will be different is the 2-4 legacies that were rolled?


Usually there is a more often than not subtle, random and not upgradeable class specific modifier attached to Second and First Age items.

phoenixcws wrote:
Assuming I'm actually in a position to get a legendary weapon do I need to worry about anything other than what type it is, what age it is, and the legacies I get on it? (because everything else can be changed, like how the points are distributed, what relics are in it and what title it has?)


Type is mostly for look since speed was eliminated as a factor. If you are weapon based dps, you'll want the closest to your current level you can slot and raise it to level 22 as quickly as possible. Don't let it slide much more than two levels behind you. If you aren't a weapon damage based class, you can let them slide for a little longer since the dps matters slightly less. Honestly, don't worry about age until the cap unless you happen to either trip over one cheap or get lucky with a drop. Legs are also something to worry about more at cap than in the 50s now. You will probably want to deconstruct them every few levels all the way to the cap, therefore you won't have enough xp in each one to be able to put a lot of points into the legs. At 61+, switch to all 61+ in every "beater" slot as soon as you can. Deconstructs of LIs level 60 and below at between xp levels 11 and 49 will pay out with tokens that can't be applied to 61+ LIs. All 61+ LI deconstructs of xp level 11 or more will pay out the correct tokens for 61+ LIs.


phoenixcws wrote:
Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer these questions. Also on a side note, are there any better sites to check out for lotro info (I'm especially interested on hwo the loot generation/dropping works)


I'm not much help on loot tables.
#3 Feb 04 2011 at 6:07 AM Rating: Good
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Phenomenal response, thanks very much! Score one for LotRO, better than anything I've gotten in ffxiv forums :)

One follow up regarding the:
"Usually there is a more often than not subtle, random and not upgradeable class specific modifier attached to Second and First Age items. "

Do we see this modifier before ID or after ID, and is there any pool of modifiers these get picked from?


Thanks so much for the answers, it'll be a while before I will be into LIs, but I like knowing how they work now... (now I just gotta stay off my creep and play my real guys)
#4 Feb 04 2011 at 10:46 PM Rating: Good
phoenixcws wrote:
Phenomenal response, thanks very much! Score one for LotRO, better than anything I've gotten in ffxiv forums :)

One follow up regarding the:
"Usually there is a more often than not subtle, random and not upgradeable class specific modifier attached to Second and First Age items. "

Do we see this modifier before ID or after ID, and is there any pool of modifiers these get picked from?


These show after ID. As far as I have seen there are two possibilities for each class. One is generally something offensive the other defensive. Most are percentage based and better than 90% of the time are 1% (most often) or 3%. On rare occasions these are 6%, then it's not so subtle. These are usually a modifier that's available on other items for the class already that can be pumped up to 20% via trait sets, legacies or gear that already exists.

If at some point you have a LI that has a cool one of these, consider it a happy accident.
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