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#27 Apr 15 2011 at 3:48 PM Rating: Good
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So they just want you to carry around a controller to play the games? I MUCH prefer the PS3 model, where there's synergy between their handheld and the console, but both are standalone devices.
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#28 Apr 15 2011 at 5:10 PM Rating: Good
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Same site Adam just linked from:
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Update: Sources now confirm to IGN the new Nintendo controller allows players to stream entire games to the device from the console, saying it's like a miniature television. The screen size on the controller is also confirmed to be six inches in size.

So you're saying I can play VC games while I'm not even in the same room as the machine? That's kinda awesome.

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#29 Apr 15 2011 at 7:59 PM Rating: Decent
I like to throw a few comments out here a little late to the party. Quickest one. I absolutely love legend of the dragoon and besides it's out dated graphics everything else about that game can hold up to current gen RPGs IMO. The only real complaint I have about that game is that the majority of spells were linked to items.

As far as nintendo targeting hard core audiences it's actually a smart move. You want both audiences to keep good profits. Yes there's a massive amount of casual players but think how often they buy games. Think about how often they buy games on release dates when their the most profitable for companies. Think how many of them will buy 1st party games that Nintendo so very famous for.

Casual gamers are great for the start of a consul. Which is why Nintendo kicked *** at release and now isn't doing as well. Let's say on average although I know this number low a hardcore gamer buys 3 games a month when your lucky a casual gamer buys 1 a month. They rarely will be foaming at the mouth for a release unless it's a really popular game such as guitar hero use to be.

This part of the reason Nintendo has a hard time getting hard hitting titles on the wii. None of their casual players will buy it. And people of the hardcore demographic have mainly given up on the wii to the casual players. It be tough to bait hardcore players into buying a wii now with it's current state and reputation. Easier to start fresh.

The other problem Nintendo seriously needs to address is it's limited amount of games it can cater to. Think about all the games that were ps3 and 360 that those developers would of been happy to but on an Nintendo consul if they didn't have to practically remake the whole game just to do so? Their online capabilities seriously limited by the lack of the ability to voice chat or use something as basic as a keyboard. Aside the fact they still offer the worse method in online interactivity mid game. Look at the concept of the Mii that Microsoft aped and now makes money selling freaking virtual clothes for them.(I can't believe people actually buy clothes for their avatars with real money..)

There's plenty of room for improvement over the wii on the most basics of levels. So long as they don't go stupid crazy with the tech and make it obnoxiously expensive or play it smart and offer cheaper alternitives that offer the basics you expect from a current gen system without the fancy controllers I think this is a smart move.

Extra credit over at escapist just did a respective on the future of consuls just this week I find extremely relevant to this topic.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/3050-Consoles-Are-the-New-Coin-Op
#30 Apr 15 2011 at 8:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Same site Adam just linked from:
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Update: Sources now confirm to IGN the new Nintendo controller allows players to stream entire games to the device from the console, saying it's like a miniature television. The screen size on the controller is also confirmed to be six inches in size.

So you're saying I can play VC games while I'm not even in the same room as the machine? That's kinda awesome.
Reminds me of the Dreamcast.
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#31 Apr 16 2011 at 1:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Its about time really. We usually start hearing about new consoles like 2 years before they ever release now. They say late 2012 but it might be 2013 by the time they postpone it, etc.

The Nintendo Wii was really a let down from the get go to me. The controller for most games IMO just made them more difficult and not life like at all. There are some good games for the Wii but it just feels like a Playstation 2 with a fancy controller. Graphics are not everything, but that still don't mean a next gen console should be full of Ps2 looking games either.

The only thing my Wii does now is allows me to watch Netflix without paying for Xbox live gold, or being forced to download a software update every other week (Ps3).

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Catt wrote:
Same site Adam just linked from:
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Update: Sources now confirm to IGN the new Nintendo controller allows players to stream entire games to the device from the console, saying it's like a miniature television. The screen size on the controller is also confirmed to be six inches in size.

So you're saying I can play VC games while I'm not even in the same room as the machine? That's kinda awesome.
Reminds me of the Dreamcast.


That's just what I was thinking. Hopefully the battery lasts longer...
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#33 Apr 16 2011 at 2:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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6" screen on the controller? Sounds like fail waiting to happen.
And why would you want a screen on the controller to play games on? If I buy a console I do so to play games at home on my TV.

Then again, I also thought "who the hell wants to flap his arms like an idiot in front of the TV?" when they announced the Wii.
#34 Apr 16 2011 at 6:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sounds like I'm the only guy in the history of the world who hated LoD Smiley: lol For me it was the slow and frustrating battle system that did it in. Honestly couldn't play more than an hour before getting so irritated that I had to quit. to be fair though, this was... jeez, almost a decade ago? Pretty sure I was still in high school, so I'd say 2004? I may try it out again sometime, as I still have it. It's quite possible that at the time I was just like "Man, FFVII rocks this, why even bother?" i don't remember feeling that way, but you never know!
#35 Apr 16 2011 at 7:06 AM Rating: Good
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I loved LoD, sadly I don't own anything to play it on nor the game anymore. I'd like to play through it again.
#36 Apr 16 2011 at 7:32 AM Rating: Good
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I loved LoD, sadly I don't own anything to play it on nor the game anymore. I'd like to play through it again.


you own a Pc that's enough, PS1 hardware is easily emulated, most of the time flawlessly. As for the game I'm sure you could figure out if you truly wanted to, Or I could give you a hand *cough* <_<
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#37 Apr 16 2011 at 8:01 AM Rating: Good
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Emulators generally aren't much fun to play though.
Playing a game meant to be played with a controller on a PC usually just feels wrong.
#38 Apr 16 2011 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
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I have a USB Converter I bought at walmart for 10 bucks I could hook up a gamecube controler/Xbox(1) controller/ PS1/2 controller. Otherwise Xbox 360 controllers work on the PC, or PS3 controller if you grab the drivers. Converters are cheap as sin online if you cant find one locally.

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#39 Apr 16 2011 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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6" screen on the controller? Sounds like fail waiting to happen.
And why would you want a screen on the controller to play games on? If I buy a console I do so to play games at home on my TV.
It was a pretty awesome little thing for Dreamcast, truth be told. You would download data from a game, and the little memory card thingy who's name escapes me at the moment let you play minigames, which you could then import back into the game. Like raising Chaos in Sonic Adventure. And in ... what was that game ... Skies of Arcadia! Yeah, it would be used as a detector to find hidden items. Of course, at the time it was basically an elaborate Tamagotchi or whatever, but still.

Dreamcast was really an awesome system.

Edit: Playstation did it, too, with Pocketstation. I forgot about that one for a moment. I just remember it was in FF8 to raise your chocobo. I think it was 8.
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Sounds like I'm the only guy in the history of the world who hated LoD Smiley: lol For me it was the slow and frustrating battle system that did it in. Honestly couldn't play more than an hour before getting so irritated that I had to quit.
That is the biggest hurdle to the game. Another problem is you can only do one sequence of attacks, so you can't pick and choose which ones you want to do. Didn't like that or much. But, like I said, it was a pretty unique engine, the story wasn't awful, the graphics and music was nice. It was, by no means, a spectacular game, but worth the patience to get into.

Legend of Legaia had similar battles, but done much better. And of course, you have the pinnacle of that, Xenogears. I don't know, I like a blend of regular turn based combat with action oriented inputs.

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#40 Apr 16 2011 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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Legend of Legaia had similar battles, but done much better. And of course, you have the pinnacle of that, Xenogears. I don't know, I like a blend of regular turn based combat with action oriented inputs.


Don't forget ChronoCross was similar. Also I agree about Legaia, but Legaia had pacing issues.

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Edit: Playstation did it, too, with Pocketstation. I forgot about that one for a moment. I just remember it was in FF8 to raise your chocobo. I think it was 8.


Yes it did and that game was fun as heck, If you get a copy of FF8 for Pc it has the app for your desktop for it.

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#41 Apr 16 2011 at 11:17 AM Rating: Good
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Legend of Legaia had similar battles, but done much better. And of course, you have the pinnacle of that, Xenogears. I don't know, I like a blend of regular turn based combat with action oriented inputs.


Xenogears? Good combat? Smiley: confused

Now, it's been a LONG time since I played it, but I as I recall it there was very little difference between a bunch of light attacks and one heavy attack. It struck me as a superficial choice of actions. Then as soon as you learned a powerful combo attack, you just spammed that ftw. Gear battles were slightly more tactical, IIRC, but still not by much.

What was good about it?
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Legend of Legaia had similar battles, but done much better. And of course, you have the pinnacle of that, Xenogears. I don't know, I like a blend of regular turn based combat with action oriented inputs.


Xenogears? Good combat? Smiley: confused

Now, it's been a LONG time since I played it, but I as I recall it there was very little difference between a bunch of light attacks and one heavy attack. It struck me as a superficial choice of actions. Then as soon as you learned a powerful combo attack, you just spammed that ftw. Gear battles were slightly more tactical, IIRC, but still not by much.

What was good about it?


Yes and no, Other then towards the end and early in the game. Light attacks would not equal strong attacks, but had better accuracy, the difference in dmg wasn't huge but it was significant (about 2-500 points later in the game. If you were just spamming one combo you wouldn't learn other combos as you needed to use freestyle attacks to learn new combos as most combos wouldnt add to them. Partly it was superficial but allowed much more freedom then selecting attack only. Certain combos were better against certain mobs some countered combos so freestyle input was the way to go. It was much deeper then most RPGs at the time.

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#43 Apr 16 2011 at 12:34 PM Rating: Default
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
I loved LoD, sadly I don't own anything to play it on nor the game anymore. I'd like to play through it again.


My cell phone can run a PS1 emulator. I'm fairly certain that your computer can manage just fine.

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Emulators generally aren't much fun to play though.
Playing a game meant to be played with a controller on a PC usually just feels wrong.


Because you there is no way to use on controller with a PC.
#44 Apr 16 2011 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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I know that it's very much possible and easy to get a controller to work with a PC, I just don't have one.
And buying a controller just to play the one game is kind of a waste of money.
#45 Apr 18 2011 at 11:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Thread is tl;dr.

But I'm excited about this. I've always been a Nintendo girl. Never owned a PS and most likely never will. I've had every console Nintendo has put out except the Game Cube and I got that for my son.

I don't do shooters, racing games, sports games, etc. Nintendo is right up my alley. I want Mario, Zelda and those other "stupid" games that most people think are corny and for kids.
#46 Apr 18 2011 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good
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But but F-Zero and Mario Kart kick ***! And Metroid isn't a shooter, right?




Seriously, if they release a new F-Zero I'm getting that console. F-Zero is awesome.
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Thread is tl;dr.

But I'm excited about this. I've always been a Nintendo girl. Never owned a PS and most likely never will. I've had every console Nintendo has put out except the Game Cube and I got that for my son.

I don't do shooters, racing games, sports games, etc. Nintendo is right up my alley. I want Mario, Zelda and those other "stupid" games that most people think are corny and for kids.



Meh to each his own, im not into Non-Pc shooters or sports games, I like Rpgs and Platformers. I Played most of the Zeldas and Marios but not really owning the system for when I can just rent it it beat the game in 8-12 hours and give it back.
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#48 Apr 21 2011 at 10:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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But but F-Zero and Mario Kart kick ***! And Metroid isn't a shooter, right?


Ok, I do like Mario Kart. I think that's the only racing game I've ever liked. Oh, and there was this one for the N64, it was motorcycles that had lasers on them. Always fun when you add lasers.
#49 Apr 21 2011 at 8:25 PM Rating: Decent
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But but F-Zero and Mario Kart kick ***! And Metroid isn't a shooter, right?




Seriously, if they release a new F-Zero I'm getting that console. F-Zero is awesome.


I love F -zero on the gamecube. So few racing games have the balls to make tracks that just surviving the course is half the battle. I remember doing Ruby and diamond cups over and over again before I could even finish the track let alone worry about coming in first.

Trident... How the hell they though that should be the opening track to any cup I don't know but that track took me FOREVER to master.
#50 Apr 22 2011 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
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Trident is awesome, I love that track.
There are only a few tracks where I have trouble with ending first, mostly sand dune tracks.

And some of the story is just absolutely brutal on very hard.
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