ya i feel ya on that one Randy.. lol i still have the very first ps2 i had over6 years ago got it when grand theft auto made its debut to playstation idk if thing even works, i dont have disc,mem card,network adapter, or controller so bout 60-80 investment so i dont know.. same thing happen when i quit years ago was dual boxing started to tri then quit few months later bc my server hodstock was becoming dead.. just lil afraid of repeating history.. plus with tanking i have troubles with my tank/petter at times lol