HOW CAN I KILL A ROGUE?!Follow

YOU HIT HIM AGAIN AND AGAIN!

Depends, mate. Who opens the fight, him or you?

When he gets the first shot:

a.) /dance
b.) ?? -> Bear -> Bash -> Cat -> Dash -> Prowl

You just reset the fight to your favor. You can either leave or try to sneak up on him.

When you get the first shot:

a.) /dance
b.) Pounce -> Mangle -> Faerie Fire -> Rake -> Maim* -> Run -> Prowl -> Repeat
c.) Pounce -> Mangle -> Faerie Fire -> Rake -> Bear -> Demoralizing Roar -> Mangle x? -> Bash -> Cat -> Mangle -> Ferocious Bite**

Usually works for me if I crit a lot (26% chance).

* Maim can be used as a Gouge to allow you to enter stealth while he is caught in the open with bleeding ticks and Faerie Fire keeping him out of stealth.

** As long as you don't attack something else, the combo points will stay on him even when you switch to Bear form. Use Bash to allow for smoother shifting (you don't want to be caught out of Bear form) and a Mangle and Ferocious Bite before he can retaliate.

Basically, if he is allowed to Gouge you while out of Bear form, you risk losing. Your Bear form will have the armor rating of a Paladin/Warrior with a shield. You will have the dodge rating of a heavy agility Rogue and the crit rating of a heavy crit Rogue. You will lack the stunlocking capabilties and the abilities like Vanish, Kidney Shot and Evasion. If he pops Evasion, run away and try to use Feral Charge. Combine Feral Charge and Faerie Fire to give you some space for healing.

If all else fails, pop Frenzied Regeneration and watch him cuss.

Ps. My Mangle (Bear) still crits for ~1000 on leather.

Edited, Apr 9th 2007 4:40pm by Mazra

Im only lv46 so dunno if rogues get much harder at ur level, but right now i find them extremely easy often taking on 2 simultaneosly(Warden staff ^^) if i get the dot opener its over even if they dont realize it yet, when they get the jump i BS,NG,FF,MF,wrath till roots break, feral charge, bash, cat and shred,claw thier life away. But then again im feral and ur balance NE so u dont have warstomp either. Frenzied regen is also a life saver.

Edited, Apr 9th 2007 6:37pm by Icebabie

While I can't provide the best Moonkin help as I am Feral, I can give you some pointers that help me and what I've heard from others. I'll try to rule out the feral stuff.

You want to put DoT's on him and even a Root if possible. Force the Rogue to use his Vanish if you can't get a FF on him. You should have High Armor while in Moonkin, and just like Warlocks, High Health is very much needed. Try to not get caught out of Moonkin, and use Force of Nature. Most rogues aren't good enough to have each thing timed perfectly so there is a chance you'll have a tenth of a second to click something.

I've used hurricane before, but it is hit or miss, and really only suggest that in group. This is something I've done while trying to search for a Rogue, or Drop it on me or the healer while the party searches for the rogue.

Frankly I believe Feral Druids will have tough times with Warlocks, and Moonkin will have problems with Rogues.



If you are taking on 2 rogues, you need to realize they suck. 2 Rogues of equal level should take down just about anyone.

Edited, Apr 9th 2007 5:36pm by Ephen

Mazra:

Did you read my post? I am a BALANCE druid. What you posted is all feral and I can't do some of those attacks you mentioned. I appreciate you offering help, but it didn't really help at all :(

Edited, Apr 10th 2007 8:16am by Deckstar

Because you are a blance druid dose not mean you cant use feral forms, most noteabley , catform for stealth, and for dash,and you can still Bash as a ballance druid.... I guess my point is it is not only about spec. A Poster who realy wants a solution would read all of what folks say and try to make it work(rather thatn cowering behind spec) I played a ballance durid who leveld most of the time in Feral forms, even with zero tallents in feral. The argument that feral tatics wont help you is on par with the "I do not heal ,i am a feral druid" coments of days gone by. Take it for what it is worth and ajust the tatic.

For me in moonkin form... rogues? not so bad cyclone makes a lot of diffrence though, but you have ER and NG working for you that Maz dose not(well recasting NG at least)Root n Nuke dosent work so well but you can always DoT & Run, moonfire/insect swarm/FF, Travle form....... Rince Repeat...like a chetta (ironic) and a Gazell, the rogue can use sprint and be faster in the short term, he will never keep up in the long run with travle form, fight the annoying fight, nobody said it was fun....

I betcha can't kill a Paladin =).

To be honest, I read the all-caps in the title and thought "airhead". I apologize for the lack of reading comprehension on my part. I wrote how to beat a Rogue, not how to beat a Rogue as a Balance Druid.

As a Balance Druid I'd go to the trainer and respec.

No, I'm just kidding. It depends on a lot of variables still, though.

Do you have Nature's Grasp? Use it.
You don't? What about the uninterruptable Roots? Use it.

Basically get some distance and use your Starfire to chop off his health. While your armor will keep you alive for about a second longer than a Mage, your low health pool won't help you much. I have 9,000 health in Bear form, self-buffed. You won't have that luxury. Get distance and get to the nuking.

Moonfire breaks Roots easily, so don't use it until you're planning for Roots to break anyways. Re-apply Roots whenever you FEEL it might break.

Keep him away from you at all times. That's the number one priority.

Thank You. Yeah I know the caps are annoying. I was just real frustrated at the time. Also I do have nature's grasp.

Btw you own all other posters! joke xD

d00d
dr00d
faerie fire
roots
win

I kind of like the reduced armor as well.



Faerie Fire is a "magic" debuff which is about the easiest debuff type to dispel. Paladins, Priests and Warlocks with the Felhunter out can dispel it.

The first thing to do is to to spec feral :D

The second thing to do is to land faerie fire. After that the rogue's life is suddenly much more difficult. Don't forget to refresh it often, just in case (even if it's dispelled the guy might not restealth instantly). Then roots usually annoy them to no end. Barkskin will help you against the fast daggers.

And try to go cat form anyway at the beginning. You might get lucky and be able to open with pounce. Then go moonkin, faerie fire, and roots, roots, roots.