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Help with my Pally To Respec or notFollow

#1 Apr 17 2007 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey Everybody,

I am currently an lvl 39, almost 40 Palidin. I have been playing for a few months now, and I am curious it I should re-spec my pally or not. Right now he is mostly Retribution, and he has a killer 2-h mace.

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/?#character-sheet.xml?r=Misha&n=Jhua

Now I like my Pally for tanking, and spot heals, though I seem to fly through my mana before a pvp fight is ½ over. Although I am on a PvE server, I enjoy smashing hordies in the BG.

Basically im asking, would it be wise to re-spec to Holy or Prot Pally, which is better for Tanking and longer life, and mana?

Thank you in advance for you input.

Jhua
#2 Apr 17 2007 at 10:08 AM Rating: Good
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Well your ret tree is sort of all over the place :) My paladin is only level 34, but maybe my advice will still make sense.

You complain that you run out of mana. Well, you are missing 2 talents that will help out. Benediction is a much better place to spend 5 talent points than Imp. Blessing of Might if you are looking to reduce mana cost. You could also take 5/5 Divine Intellect instead of 5/5 Divine Strength if you really need more mana.

Do you plan to heal at all in BGs? If so, it would be better to take Spiritual Focus rather than Imp. Seal of Righteousness.

Not sure what you would like to do with this character so I will leave more detailed answers to others who have pvp'd as a paladin before, as I have not done so. I would say that even if you are going to stick with ret, respec anyway and spend the points better, they are all over the place and you're not really getting full benefit of most of the talents.
#3 Apr 17 2007 at 10:35 AM Rating: Decent
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If you want to tank spec Prot. I don't know if I would do BGs as a Protadin though. It may work but I never tried. If you do plan to a alot of BGs I would go Holy or Ret depending on what you plan on doing.

Going by your face smashing comment, I'd say you'll probably go Ret. If you do you might want to try this build.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=qZZVf0tMcuV

It's designed for damage output, although I took Benediction to conserve mana.
Like Khalane said you'll do the best if you max out your talnets.

When I do BGs I take 2 sets of armor. One for offense and one for healing/defense. Just a side note.

I hope this was helpful.
#4 Apr 17 2007 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Thank you everyone, my questions have been answer very clearly, and it gives me a lot more of an insight to the palidin class. I have one other question, it might sound like a bit of a newb question...

If you spec Protection it means you are good for tanking.

But Retribution is better for damage, would that make it 'tanking' or not?

Thanks again for your help
#5 Apr 17 2007 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
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No, tanking means drawing and keeping aggro while offering enough survivability to take the hits without flinching.

Early on, Ret Pallies will be able to tank too. All they'll have to do is use a 1hander and a shield. Speccing Prot just offers a few talents that will help tanking better.
#6 Apr 17 2007 at 12:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Alright Thank you Selverein. So then what it the point of going Ret. then, just to do massive damage?

Thanks
#7 Apr 17 2007 at 12:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Yep.

By going Retro you'll burn mobs down faster if picked individually. You might also do better in PvP. (Although being Prot myself I haven't had much trouble with World PvP Encounters) But yeah, it's an easy way to quest and solo your way to level 60/70.

Prot will allow you to quest and grind very effectively too, but the play style will change and it does not fit everyone. You have to pull more mobs at once and use different seals/judgements. Casters give a harder time. Speccing Prot will, however, allow you to tank more effectively.

Holy for leveling is... the *********'s way, I'd say. Much like any Holy/Resto tree for healing classes. I'd suggest respeccing Holy only if you intend to stay in a specific PvP bracket for a while and want to heal in BG's.
#8 Apr 17 2007 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Awesome, thanks alot, this thread help me out alot. I know what I gotta do when I get home tonight, re-spec my pally. I just have to decide Whether to fix the current Ret. Spec, or go protection. Thanks for all your input.
#9 Apr 17 2007 at 2:08 PM Rating: Decent
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You are one point away from a 31-talent skill in all trees so I would indefinitely respec either ret, prot, or holy. In my opinion, at this level, you should go for the 31-talent skill.

Your options are holy shock (holy), holy shield (prot), or repentence (ret).

I personally think you should go prot and be a tank. Holy shield & blessing of sanctuary & ret aura is phenomenal for tanking. At this level, you will start doing more instances and a good tank is more valuable than a DPS build/class. Note, prot is horrible tank against spells... so you will need to inform your group to take out casters. Do note that 1/2 your damage will be from ret aura, sanctuary, and holy shield.

If you are to go holy or prot, you will need to change your gear to almost entirely +int and +stm. Holy shield has a 8 sec cool down and should be up when you are fighting either a boss or 2+ mobs constantly. Also, make sure the mobs are in front of you ;-).

Holy is good. I am not sure if you want to be a secondary or primary healer in the group. Holy shock requires a lot of mana, which you might not be able acquire.

Ret is good too, but tanking +2 mobs will be difficult depending on the DPS of your group and your gear.

Whatever you decide, in most cases, you should be clear about what role you can actually fulfill. A ret pally can rarely primary heal or even secondary heal a group...

I created recc builds for each; others please recc.

Holy
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sVeh0xzhxo

Prot (need a fast one hander (2.0 speed or less) and a good shield)
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=aZV0tI0hzgd

Ret (keep that 2hander if it is better than level 40 greens; this is similar to the other suggested build with the exception of no benediction; your mana will always be low i would suggest judging crusade then seal of command with limited judging of command)
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=qZZxf0tMcuV0o



If you go prot, you might want to read up on how to be a tank with a pally. there are innumerous posts here on the subject.

cheers!



#10 Apr 17 2007 at 2:20 PM Rating: Decent
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If you're planning to go Prot then be advised you're going to be dishing out a lot of mana to maintain aggro. Being a tank as a pally is fun but it asks a lot of you, and it requires a decent group.

And to the poster above mentioning pallys in BGs.. here's my two cents. Pallies 1-40 are pretty killer, as they have a lot of abilities that set them a step above every other class early on. But post-40, all the classes start exponentially increasing in damage output, whereas a pally just marginally increases. So if you're BGing, do not expect to be dealing or taking damage what-so-ever. Instead, you should spec holy/prot and healbot the entire time. Yes, I know this sounds lame and boring, but there's nothing like getting a whole team to say 'nice heals' and 'thank u pally' after defending/claiming a spot. Another thing you'll have going for you is the fact that every single person on the planet hates pallies, so if they see you healing something they are going to focus on you, allowing your teammates to take them down while you bubble and /dance.
#11 Apr 17 2007 at 5:00 PM Rating: Decent
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If you do go prot, you may find it slow to kill a single mob. I find I can kill single mobs (especially casters) with a 2handed weapon and Seal of Righteousness. When Reckoning procs you'll get x2 attacks with your weapon and x2 SoR procs of those attacks, meaning that soft, cloth wearing mob will go down fast, especially if it's got Judgement of the Crusader on it (increases holy damage taken)
#12 Apr 17 2007 at 9:20 PM Rating: Decent
i just repec'd to prot...it was the best thing to ever happen to me! :-)
#13 Apr 18 2007 at 5:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Thank everyone; I think I will re-spec Prot. b/c I got a sweet Blue shield that was BoP from Scarlet M, and I have 1-handed mace – Heavenly Light waiting for me @ lvl 40.
And with the armor increase w/ plate it should be nice. Thx everyone for the advise.

Jhua
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