tarv wrote:
Empyre all you arguemant does is show in crystal quality the difference between a Scientific view <Theory> and a Religious View <Theology>
A scientist does his best with the infomation that he can glean using the best scientific methods of the day and leaves it to his students and other scientists to discuss and if necessary disprove his Theory.
A scientific view will never say this is the Absolute correct answer, only stating that is the best answer so far
but is not a fact an Absolute correct answer by definition? That is what I'm arguing, your statements that:
tarv wrote:
Myself i think that Religious people that argue Science vs Religion are amoungst the dumbest people alive, not because they are religious, but becasue they are willing to argue Myth against Proven fact.
I'm not arguing my beliefs here...as much as I regret that expressing some of them prematurely on this board haunts me every day.
tarv wrote:
A religious view on the other had say i am right and no other posibilities exsist.
to Quote Smasharoo: What is wrong with saying I DON'T KNOW.
the two have very little to do with each other, but your stereotyping religious views with the expressed views of organized religion. why so many will classify anyone with religious views into the same category as organized religion boggles my mind. I understand its easy to do, but its a huge stereotype that cannot be justified beyond the fact that it's easy.
Sure, some of my beliefs are the same as some christian beliefs..some of them also are supported by buudhism, catholism, etc. I just happen to think of the christian image and definition of God to satisfy that human desire to put image to everything. It doesn't mean that I believe the same thing as every bible thumper you've ever been inconvenienced by.
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As an Atheist, i long to discover the history of the human race out of curiousity not for justification.
Well then there are also some things we can see eye-to-eye on then.
tarv wrote:
If you choose to beleive in the story's that are found in the Bible then my friend you are Gullible, they do not stand up to any reasonable investigation or scientific scrutany.
Tell me you've never believed in something you've read and it turned out to be wrong, disproven, unproven, or tale? Are those stories true? I don't know..i'd like to believe they are. Outside of the bible they are bound in, they are letter and poems written by men and women throughout history.
Was the spiritual experience that viewed the things outlined in revelation an actual spiritual experience in which a man was lifted to heaven and showed the end of times or was it a hallucination due to the fact he was stranded on an island with no food or water? None of us will ever know unless it actually happens, but if it gives me faith in the idea that there is something better after this life, then i'm going to believe it...and maybe that makes me gullible by your definition, but in a world that is sometimes unbearable..its a much appreciated relief.
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If you choose to believe in God thats fine with me.
If you choose to follow the base code of conduct depicted in the bible thats fine with me.
But don't tell me that some carpenter 2000 years ago rose from the dead, sorry i am not buying that it's just plain foolish.
Now with this statement your going against much of what you said. We don't have proof he rose from the dead. We have record that he lived (the accuracy of these records can be disputed, but people deny the hollucaust ever happened as well) and personal accounts of the things he did.
We didn't have tape recorders and cameras back then...it would be difficult to make any record other than what we have. And anything that could be used to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt has been contaminated by study so much that its hopeless to think it could be useful. But to us that believe in it, we don't need proof. And to those like you who don't care to believe it, you don't have proof.
So why can't we both be satisfied without cutting at the other for what they believe? I think if we had that answer, the fighting in the middle east would stop.