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#27 Dec 05 2005 at 5:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's pretty simple, the population of Shiva increases, with more people levelling multiple jobs, and the drop rate of the item stays the same, the price will continue to rise.

So either SE needs to alter the drop rate, or make it available from another source, or people need to start dropping off this server

As much as I'd like for people to start leaving (certain people especially lol), it's not going to happen

And it's not the gilsellers to blame, it's the greedy players who jack the price up, and the dumb idiots that pay the inflated fee.
#28 Dec 05 2005 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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You can't just blame the gil sellers. What about the NA player who goes to sell say...a mercenary earring. It's listed at 200k. None on ah. So he decides to make an extra 50k. Lists it at 250, suddenly everyone and their brother sells it for 250. It's like that for everything.

Then it works in reverse, I found a nice little way to make a profit with moblinweave. I farmed the thread, turned it into weave and made 20k. Someone decided to lvl up on moblinweave, bought all the thread off ah, powerlvled their craft and dropped the price of the weave 5k. Sooo frustrating this game sometimes.
#29 Dec 05 2005 at 7:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I personally think we could revive Cornnholio's old LS!

I was the vice/2nd in command of the LS and it was really fun when we did the stroper chyme hunts. If we were to do LS events for this, we could:

a) give the GS a nice big t(''t)
b) lower the price for the O Kote
c) make a potential profit outta the events
d) have fun

So it looks like we could be reviving the good ol' lets-go-f**k-off-some-gilsellers LS

^^
#30 Dec 12 2005 at 6:05 AM Rating: Decent
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why i believe that it does suck that the item is crazy expensive there could be a short term way to fix it. if u have a devoted LS or a fewe friends go camp the sucka and sell the kote for like 1-3mil or sumtin. Im sorry if this seems too low(thats still a lot of gil @_@) but come on 6mil. So for all u nongil hording ppl that dont mind undercutting it go camp for your and the upcoming melees sake.

(in other words i agree with bashee)
#31 Dec 12 2005 at 9:05 AM Rating: Decent
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How about SE takes the item's that are highly monopolized. And instead of making them rare/ex where greedy people can still make a large $. They put them at NPC's and sell them for a set amount of money, or make them quest obtainable. Hmmmm there's a thought.

Edited, Mon Dec 12 09:08:16 2005 by Shinkyu
#32 Dec 12 2005 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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Shink, because every time you do something to affect one thing, it inadvertantly affects many others. People praised SE for making lizzy's drop rare/ex, but now they are cursing it for unforseen reasons. (Actually it wasn't quite unforseen...I predicted it before it happened. Anyone that listened to me made a good chunk of change off it). Also, it's not always enough to just change things until you get it right.

Think about it though...no one "needs" emp hairpin/leaping boots/o.kote/etc. Those are all luxury items. People went without them before, and many go without them now. I personally believe that if you are willing to take time to get those items, you deserve them. If you don't, you don't.
#33 Dec 12 2005 at 11:18 AM Rating: Decent
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First off, SE isnt going to do anything about this anytime soon. It took several years of GS's monopolizing emp pin and leaping boots and peacock charm, to get SE to do anything about it. So we (the community) need to come upwith a solution that doesnt involve SE.

Since we (the NA population) is all but completly cut off from communicating with the JP population about things like this, any kind of solution is going to be only a halfways solution. And even worse, only a small portion of the NA population would even consider or care enough to help with a solution.

This leave us (I will probably never need an O kote, but I am willing to be part of a solution that helps my fellow shivans), with very few resources, and a big problem that needs a solution. In the business world, this would be called a lost cause, but I am certain we the people have the ability, and motivation to make a difference.

Sophus has an interesting idea, however there are a few flaws in it (no offense, just gonna blurt out my opinions here). First off, blatently manipulating the AH system, is in violation of the ToS. Now the chances of anyone getting banned for it are virtually nil, but I say be the "Better man", and do this without violating any rules.

Second problem is, that the GS's have a near infinate supply of gil. Yes you may cost them some for a short time, but as soon as you stop manipulating the AH, they will be free to set the price at whatever they want again, which will likely be even higher, due to the gil they lost. So you would need to not only change the last 10 sales, you would need to continue to monitor the sales, and be ready and willing to readjust the price at any time. But thats not even the biggest issue. Lets say 10 of us were in cahoots on this. We list one, and as soon as it is listed, we send a /t to our partner, and they purchase it right away for the price that was previously discussed. This will show on the price history, but when the fat wallet player, or gil buyer goes to buy one, and sees the last sale at 4Mil, he/she will bid 4 mil. Then 4.5, and finally 5mil (or maybe even 6 or 7 mil). Since they have very little concern for their gil (if their just rich, or a gil buyer it wont matter much to them), they will keep bidding until they get one. Wheather it is 4 mil or 6 mil, soo many people have the "I need it now" attitude, that they wont wait for the price to drop back down to get it. So while you did change the price history, there are still going to be O kotes listed by the GS's, that will likely sell for the price they listed it at, which then takes all the time and gill you spent on changing the price history, and ruins it, and makes it esentially worthless.

So what is the solution? I have no clue. Haveing a group of people come together, and try and out camp the GS's sounds like the most plausible idea. But to make a real difference, you need a lot of people willing to spend a lot of time for virtually nothing (and we all know how much people are willing to do for nothing in this game). Spoofing the price history could work but I feel it would be temporary. Complaining to SE is virtually worthless. Anyone else with any ideas?



#34 Dec 12 2005 at 11:27 AM Rating: Good
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I'll admit that I wasn't the most astute reader of the ToS, but how is changing the price of an item on the AH in violation of it?

Also, I don't get the impression that these guys want to change the price of O.Kote forever, they just want it changed for "them." Maybe I'm wrong, but the way I read the posts it was more of a greed thing than an inequality thing. Otherwise, camping or bcnming until you got it would be (imo) the best possible solution. Therefore, the solution I gave them was a quick-fix to get the results they wanted: cheaper O.Kote and "sticking it" to the gil sellers.

The truth is that there is a real solution to this dillema. The problem is, it would require too many people to be fair and equitable both in sales and party dynamics to ever work. People are just too greedy :/
#35 Dec 12 2005 at 11:28 AM Rating: Good
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sorry, lag post

Edited, Mon Dec 12 11:30:48 2005 by SophusTehNewb
#36 Dec 12 2005 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
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No ice cream for sophus! :)
#37 Dec 12 2005 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
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*sniff*

That hurt :(
#38 Dec 12 2005 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I'll admit that I wasn't the most astute reader of the ToS, but how is changing the price of an item on the AH in violation of it?


Changing the price is not the violation, gathering all your friends, and makeing a false sales history would be. Like I said, no one would ever get banned for it most likely. But that was not even 1/100th of the point of my post lol.

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Also, I don't get the impression that these guys want to change the price of O.Kote forever, they just want it changed for "them." Maybe I'm wrong, but the way I read the posts it was more of a greed thing than an inequality thing. Otherwise, camping or bcnming until you got it would be (imo) the best possible solution. Therefore, the solution I gave them was a quick-fix to get the results they wanted: cheaper O.Kote and "sticking it" to the gil sellers.


I didnt exactly read into it that way. While that may very well be what each of the people who posted here wants, I was actually looking for a permanent solution to the problem (as i said i have no interest in an O kote). I know its strange that someone would actually want to help someone with absolutly no gain for them in it, but that was my intention.

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The truth is that there is a real solution to this dillema. The problem is, it would require too many people to be fair and equitable both in sales and party dynamics to ever work. People are just too greedy :/


Obviously if no one ever bought it from AH, and only accuired them by camping it, thgis owuldnt be an issue. But thats just not practical, and your right people are to greedy to really make a change.
#39 Dec 12 2005 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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Actually I was thinking along the lines of not expecting all melee to have leaping boots by the time they hit 7 and emp hairpins by the time they hit 24. Some of these guys are just starting out. If we can't get those items after years of trying, how can we expect them to have it in their first week?

And then there's things like expecting all thf to sub nin after 20. If it's your first job and it's not over lvl 30 yet...how on earth as you supposed to sub an advanced job?

But then again, it's our game and we pay $xxx.xx per month for it. If those little n00blets don't want to comform to our standards, ***** them. But they'd better not buy the gil to conform to those standards or they'll be even bigger n00bs!

You know, I'll ust get my rank 10 buddy with full leather republic gear to come party with me, and my 75 whm friend to plvl us. No reason I should have to hang around with those commoners with no money or ability. After all, I'm only doing this so I can get another job into sky to get more play time.

[/sarcasm]
#40 Dec 13 2005 at 7:28 PM Rating: Decent
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SE needs to make that Rare/EX. The prices are out of control for that.

I've visited Castle Oz probably about six times total since I've been playing. And each time a gil seller group is camping it.


Thief's Knife = 40 mil.

GG.

That needs to be rare/ex over any other currently existing item.
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