There was a scam on the Nameless server where a player posed as a guild members new alt and asked guildmates for a loan of plat (or asked for armor) to repay another loan they had. A few "soft hearts" who knew the main character felt bad and loaned the player the money. After a while, it was determined that this was a scam. Sucks how people can play on one's weakness (like helping guildmates!) and scam players out of hard earned plat. All should be advised not to give money to anyone w/o making 100% sure that u know who that person is. Our guild suggested asking the person to log onto their main character to verify who they are.
Heard this was an old EQ scam. I, for one, hadn't heard of it. Thought folks should be aware or at the least be reminded of the scams some folks play.
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Heh. Well, anytime you are asked for something, and the only information about the person asking is info that person provides, then you have a chance of being scamed.
First off. While I understand the desire to "help out" guildmates, no one in my guild would ever, under any circumstances ask for stuff from the guild. We have a web site. On that site, we have a section with all the guild kitty stuff. We have rules for folks taking items from the kitty (based on main/alt status and other criteria).
Second. If the person sending you a tell doesn't have your guildname floating over his head, then he isn't in your guild. No amount of him saying: "I'm so and so's alt" changes that simple fact. It's not really a scam then is it? If you thought you were giving items to a guildmember, then it's your own stupidity for not checking first. Even if the character really was an alt of the guildmember, what difference does that make? He's not in your guild, right? What exactly is the difference between giving stuff to a non-guilded alt of a guildmate, and giving stuff to a total stranger who's not in your guild? Same difference really if you think about it.
The only thing that will protect you from this kind of scam is common sense. Unfortunately, that's not nearly as "common" as it should be...
First off. While I understand the desire to "help out" guildmates, no one in my guild would ever, under any circumstances ask for stuff from the guild. We have a web site. On that site, we have a section with all the guild kitty stuff. We have rules for folks taking items from the kitty (based on main/alt status and other criteria).
Second. If the person sending you a tell doesn't have your guildname floating over his head, then he isn't in your guild. No amount of him saying: "I'm so and so's alt" changes that simple fact. It's not really a scam then is it? If you thought you were giving items to a guildmember, then it's your own stupidity for not checking first. Even if the character really was an alt of the guildmember, what difference does that make? He's not in your guild, right? What exactly is the difference between giving stuff to a non-guilded alt of a guildmate, and giving stuff to a total stranger who's not in your guild? Same difference really if you think about it.
The only thing that will protect you from this kind of scam is common sense. Unfortunately, that's not nearly as "common" as it should be...
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I was nearly a victim of a similar scam once. While in PoK I was randomly inspected, thought nothing of it,more or less dismissed the matter because accidental inspection is pretty common in a crowded zone like PoK.
A short time later, same person who inspected me sent me a /tell with a "guess who? :)" message. I made a guess..and guess what? was right on the first try. Was asked to meet at nexus stone, and the person asked if they could "try on" my BP, to see if it "looks as pretty on me as it does on you". The person I'd originally thought it was PROBABLY wouldn't ask such a thing, but if they did, they would be trustworthy enough to give it back. So...I asked a question only the other person would know the answer to, and the would-be-scammer promptly got up and zoned.
So yeah....be cautious, and use common sense.
A short time later, same person who inspected me sent me a /tell with a "guess who? :)" message. I made a guess..and guess what? was right on the first try. Was asked to meet at nexus stone, and the person asked if they could "try on" my BP, to see if it "looks as pretty on me as it does on you". The person I'd originally thought it was PROBABLY wouldn't ask such a thing, but if they did, they would be trustworthy enough to give it back. So...I asked a question only the other person would know the answer to, and the would-be-scammer promptly got up and zoned.
So yeah....be cautious, and use common sense.
Hard earned PP? lmao
just to remind everyone it is not real money.
But one the other hand you shouldn't lend money to anyone with out getting proof or some coloateral =-P (or how ever you spell that word).
I never lend money to people i have not played with even if they are guildies. I am a dam ranger anyways so when someone asks me for money i laugh at them and say how pathetic they are. Even though i am a very rich ranger due to may abnormal pharming habbits. I think my faction with the dorfs in CC is better than my home town faction. I get better prices down there lol.
You can do what is called an investment in someone. Thats what i did with my personal trades skills nut. Whom i actually met in real life lol. He was in arizona for a while and i met him at a coffie shop. It was a weird experience to say the least since i practicly already knew everything about this guy already it went very smoothly. I have pharmed everything for this guy (easily over 40K worth of junk) and he helped me buy smithing my acrylia arrow shafts and special arrow heads to help me with my fletching. WITCH IS NOW 224!!!! He also made my little SK (level 14) a full suit of really nice armor.
On an exiteing note, I made my first nightmare compound bow the other night =P. =D I gave it to a newb because they sell for like 500pp now =P
just to remind everyone it is not real money.
But one the other hand you shouldn't lend money to anyone with out getting proof or some coloateral =-P (or how ever you spell that word).
I never lend money to people i have not played with even if they are guildies. I am a dam ranger anyways so when someone asks me for money i laugh at them and say how pathetic they are. Even though i am a very rich ranger due to may abnormal pharming habbits. I think my faction with the dorfs in CC is better than my home town faction. I get better prices down there lol.
You can do what is called an investment in someone. Thats what i did with my personal trades skills nut. Whom i actually met in real life lol. He was in arizona for a while and i met him at a coffie shop. It was a weird experience to say the least since i practicly already knew everything about this guy already it went very smoothly. I have pharmed everything for this guy (easily over 40K worth of junk) and he helped me buy smithing my acrylia arrow shafts and special arrow heads to help me with my fletching. WITCH IS NOW 224!!!! He also made my little SK (level 14) a full suit of really nice armor.
On an exiteing note, I made my first nightmare compound bow the other night =P. =D I gave it to a newb because they sell for like 500pp now =P
There's a rule of thumb that's served me in good stead in regards to lending money.
Lend only what you would be willing to give as a gift.
Would you be willing to give your buddy the cash he's (or she's) requesting with no expectation of repayment? If you would, chances are it wouldn't break your heart if the money was never repaid. People "forget" debts all the time. If that bothers you, or if you can't afford to lose the cash, don't lend it.
It's not unkind or stingy to set boundaries on what you're willing to do for people.
Some of us have learned this lesson the hard way (not necessarily the first time.)
Lend only what you would be willing to give as a gift.
Would you be willing to give your buddy the cash he's (or she's) requesting with no expectation of repayment? If you would, chances are it wouldn't break your heart if the money was never repaid. People "forget" debts all the time. If that bothers you, or if you can't afford to lose the cash, don't lend it.
It's not unkind or stingy to set boundaries on what you're willing to do for people.
Some of us have learned this lesson the hard way (not necessarily the first time.)
I have unguilded alts so obviously the "if there's not a guild tag over their head they're not who they say they are" line is not necessarily true. On the other hand if I were asking for a favor of any sort, I'd offer to log in my main so the person I'm talking to would know it's really my character.
Similarly if some unknown alt out of the blue asked to borrow money or anything else I'd ask that they log in their main and repeat the request. It's not too much to ask.
Disagree. The alt of a guild mate is still the person behind the keyboard that you know as your guild mate. I don't trust pixels, I trust people - or not, as the case may be - once I have evidence that it is the same person, as above.
Similarly if some unknown alt out of the blue asked to borrow money or anything else I'd ask that they log in their main and repeat the request. It's not too much to ask.
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What exactly is the difference between giving stuff to a non-guilded alt of a guildmate, and giving stuff to a total stranger who's not in your guild? Same difference really if you think about it.
Disagree. The alt of a guild mate is still the person behind the keyboard that you know as your guild mate. I don't trust pixels, I trust people - or not, as the case may be - once I have evidence that it is the same person, as above.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
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