If you don't mind loosing some faction, hhk guards are good, although it is better to be a wizzy or druid, so u can port to places where u can sell fine steel cause after u start killing those guards, u can't sell to vendors there. BTW has ne1 ever notice that vendors are stronger than guards? Hmm... y don't thay defend the city. Neways, my 36 mage has been farming them, i can take 2 at a time with focused earth pet and have about 1/2 to 1/3 manna left with 190 int. Although there is usually a chanter there to c1 u. They always drop a fine steel short sword, and the biggest plat drop i have got is about 5 silver o 9pp. Atb 45 u can prolly take 5 at a time with full manna and aego if have a big enough manna pool to kill them all at once. Also a ds helps alot. I have been thinking of using fire pet, but why fix something that is not broken. Just my 2cp worth. >:-)