Pot calling the kettle black, IGE and usFollow

Jophiel, that is my point. SoE does not ban accounts that are ebayed, or sold, or what ever, thus if they do, you have the right to fight it and win though a track record of inaction from SoE on this subject.


bottom line is everything in this thread from dupping plat, to buying plat, AA, levels, etc. are all in direct violation of the EULA, but SoE is doing NOTHING about it, thus in fact making the EULA worthless in the eyes of the law.

still my point being that you can only fight for the reactivation of your account and any monthly service fee to be reimbursed, and nothing more.

you can not as you say to to the city of NY and sue for not being alowed to put up said toll booth, etc., but you can go to the city and sue for a service fee, if any were to apply, to be returned. as there is no service fee involved with that bridge, that i know of, then you have nothing to stand on.

bottom line, cheating is cheating and i frown upon it. any and all who wish to cheat please go play on bnet were you belong. you do not belong nor are you wanted in EQ, or any other MMORPG for that matter.

now all cheaters that is what i feel about you and your ways, and what you have done to ruin a good game.

Jophiel, that is my point. SoE does not ban accounts that are ebayed, or sold, or what ever, thus if they do, you have the right to fight it and win though a track record of inaction from SoE on this subject.


bottom line is everything in this thread from dupping plat, to buying plat, AA, levels, etc. are all in direct violation of the EULA, but SoE is doing NOTHING about it, thus in fact making the EULA worthless in the eyes of the law.

still my point being that you can only fight for the reactivation of your account and any monthly service fee to be reimbursed, and nothing more.

you can not as you say to to the city of NY and sue for not being alowed to put up said toll booth, etc., but you can go to the city and sue for a service fee, if any were to apply, to be returned. as there is no service fee involved with that bridge, that i know of, then you have nothing to stand on.

bottom line, cheating is cheating and i frown upon it. any and all who wish to cheat please go play on bnet were you belong. you do not belong nor are you wanted in EQ, or any other MMORPG for that matter.

now all cheaters that is what i feel about you and your ways, and what you have done to ruin a good game.

Jophiel, that is my point. SoE does not ban accounts that are ebayed, or sold, or what ever, thus if they do, you have the right to fight it and win though a track record of inaction from SoE on this subject.


bottom line is everything in this thread from dupping plat, to buying plat, AA, levels, etc. are all in direct violation of the EULA, but SoE is doing NOTHING about it, thus in fact making the EULA worthless in the eyes of the law.

still my point being that you can only fight for the reactivation of your account and any monthly service fee to be reimbursed, and nothing more.

you can not as you say to to the city of NY and sue for not being alowed to put up said toll booth, etc., but you can go to the city and sue for a service fee, if any were to apply, to be returned. as there is no service fee involved with that bridge, that i know of, then you have nothing to stand on.

bottom line, cheating is cheating and i frown upon it. any and all who wish to cheat please go play on bnet were you belong. you do not belong nor are you wanted in EQ, or any other MMORPG for that matter.

now all cheaters that is what i feel about you and your ways, and what you have done to ruin a good game.

Jophiel, that is my point. SoE does not ban accounts that are ebayed, or sold, or what ever, thus if they do, you have the right to fight it and win though a track record of inaction from SoE on this subject.


bottom line is everything in this thread from dupping plat, to buying plat, AA, levels, etc. are all in direct violation of the EULA, but SoE is doing NOTHING about it, thus in fact making the EULA worthless in the eyes of the law.

still my point being that you can only fight for the reactivation of your account and any monthly service fee to be reimbursed, and nothing more.

you can not as you say to to the city of NY and sue for not being alowed to put up said toll booth, etc., but you can go to the city and sue for a service fee, if any were to apply, to be returned. as there is no service fee involved with that bridge, that i know of, then you have nothing to stand on.

bottom line, cheating is cheating and i frown upon it. any and all who wish to cheat please go play on bnet were you belong. you do not belong nor are you wanted in EQ, or any other MMORPG for that matter.

now all cheaters that is what i feel about you and your ways, and what you have done to ruin a good game.

Jophiel, that is my point. SoE does not ban accounts that are ebayed, or sold, or what ever, thus if they do, you have the right to fight it and win though a track record of inaction from SoE on this subject.


bottom line is everything in this thread from dupping plat, to buying plat, AA, levels, etc. are all in direct violation of the EULA, but SoE is doing NOTHING about it, thus in fact making the EULA worthless in the eyes of the law.

still my point being that you can only fight for the reactivation of your account and any monthly service fee to be reimbursed, and nothing more.

you can not as you say to to the city of NY and sue for not being alowed to put up said toll booth, etc., but you can go to the city and sue for a service fee, if any were to apply, to be returned. as there is no service fee involved with that bridge, that i know of, then you have nothing to stand on.

bottom line, cheating is cheating and i frown upon it. any and all who wish to cheat please go play on bnet were you belong. you do not belong nor are you wanted in EQ, or any other MMORPG for that matter.

now all cheaters that is what i feel about you and your ways, and what you have done to ruin a good game.

Jophiel, that is my point. SoE does not ban accounts that are ebayed, or sold, or what ever, thus if they do, you have the right to fight it and win though a track record of inaction from SoE on this subject.


bottom line is everything in this thread from dupping plat, to buying plat, AA, levels, etc. are all in direct violation of the EULA, but SoE is doing NOTHING about it, thus in fact making the EULA worthless in the eyes of the law.

still my point being that you can only fight for the reactivation of your account and any monthly service fee to be reimbursed, and nothing more.

you can not as you say to to the city of NY and sue for not being alowed to put up said toll booth, etc., but you can go to the city and sue for a service fee, if any were to apply, to be returned. as there is no service fee involved with that bridge, that i know of, then you have nothing to stand on.

bottom line, cheating is cheating and i frown upon it. any and all who wish to cheat please go play on bnet were you belong. you do not belong nor are you wanted in EQ, or any other MMORPG for that matter.

now all cheaters that is what i feel about you and your ways, and what you have done to ruin a good game.

Wait.. Singdall, what was your point?

It is their responsibility. It's their playground and they're in charge of it. The fact that they haven't taken responsibility doesn't relieve them of the obligation.

Potentially worthless. Until someone actually takes it to court and a judgement is made, it's like Schroedinger's cat.

no sorry, site was giving me time outs, thus indicating to me that it did not make the post, so i hit the button again.

/rude servers

anyways:



yes very very true, and much more accurate then my cart blank statement.

gbaji while i agree with 99.9% of what you say in reguards to it is 100% Sony's responsibilty to deal with IGE/Yantis, there is a simple rule of life that fits here very very well.

perseption is the rule not the exception

what that means is in the public eye, or anyones eye for that matter is what is perceived not what is real.

if you think someone is ignoring you, then they are ignoring you in your eye, and that becomes truth.

reality has nothing to do with this, but that is how it works.

the perseption here is that Sony(SoE) does not give a rats **** about IGE/Yantis selling ingame pp for $, or plat dupping, etc. thus this becomes the rule. SoE does not care about anything but getting its monthly service fee from roughly 400k ppl across the world.

until that # is drasticaly cut, SoE will continue to do nothing as they have done nothing for the past 4 years that Yantis has been out there selling his pp for cash, and weekly updated cheat lists.

4 years is a long time to build a HUGE perception that you do not care as long as you get paid rule.

sad, but true.

i large sit in may work, crash a few servers or zones might get SoEs attention, but i highly doubt it. now canceling 100k accounts in 30days, that would get their attention hella lot faster.

SOE, like any other ruling body is only concerned with maintaining its superiority and gaining power.
In allowing these plat vendors to continue, SOE gains more accounts. Stopping it, reduces the player base, while allowing it to continue adds the profit of new accounts.
I dont feel I am being paranoid, but where are the dirty cop theories? Why cant a percentage a plat sales passed into the hands of SOE be another major factor in these plat vendors' continueing exsistence despite the intent of the EULA.
Well, they continue to exist because the orginal intent of the EULA is to insure the SOE remains in control of business. If this wasnt the case, why is IGE and Yantis the only plat vendors.
Is it unreasonable that SOE may not be pulling the plug on IGE/Yantis because this is their way of controlling that business. By SOE allowing IGE/Yantis to gain in power they can control the plat industry.
This is proven to be a tried and true method of maintaining limited control and earning a profit through looking at organized crime.
SOE is the power here, they have the control. If it wasnt porfitable for the to turn a blind eye, wouldnt there already be countermeasures against exploits. Level caps on items, no MQ'ing, no loot rights, more GMs per server, and better prices when selling to or buying from vendors? Under the Fungus Covered Scale Tunic item on this site, there is a post about a person buying one of these tunics from a NPC vendor for 6 gold. Why not have all things be no drop and the prices be discussed and set through NPC vendors? i.e. Fungus tunics on torv go for 80-100k, one PC sells it to a vendor for 80-100K charisma modifier included, and another PC buys it for 80-100k charisma mod included? Make coin non tradable as well, and put an NPC banker in each of the starting cities, or just in PoK that will allow two PC to simiultanously open a coin transfer window. Then, if one PC tries to give another PC are large amount of coin, a guide shows up to regulate the transfer. Allow only a certain number of coin transfers per a certain period of time.
Instead, SOE significantly lowers the amount of guides and GMs per server, drops the profit of selling items to vendors, and remains quiet about IGE/Yantis. SOE does not see a problem.
No, the way the EQ economics are set up is geared toward these exploits. And, SOE seems as oblivious to this as a stuffed pig.
As a player, I play in a game where if something bad happens to my gear, my character, or my account, no help is offered. At level 40+, if I lose my gear due to some glitch or my corpse rotting before I can fix or replace my computer, then I have very few options. I can start over, spend alot of effort working to replace the loss, or I can buy plat. SOE seems to tell me to buy plat since they have told a few people I have heard from that they no longer offer the start-up gear kits to PC who have had easily proven bad luck.
I think because of SOE's latest actions, that they are definitely supporting IGE/Yantis, and all three of them are prospering.
And, the frustrating thing of it is, that it is well within SOE rights to do this. They are only obligated to insure quality gaming, and obviously they can ignore this obligation they have to us.
Yeah, I dont think I'll be buying EQ2 unless SOE begins to grow a heart for their customers. LOL

P.S. All the above information is based on information I have gotten from this post. I have no knowledge of how many plat vendors there are, or if they do pay SOE a percentage.

Oh please..i could personally care less about people spending their own money to buy platnium. Some people do have lives outside of a videogame but would still like to have nicer stuff in-game. Just because you think that you should have to grind to make money or whatever doesnt mean someone else wouldnt rather be raiding with his guild or actually having fun doing stuff in-game with his/her friends.

I havent bought plat. but i wouldnt think twice about it if i got the urge. Think of it this way...how much do you make an hour in RL? If something in-game is going to take 2 weeks of farming pp to pay for and you can just buy the pp with a couple hours of pay..why not do it and save your in-game time doing FUN stuff. Maybe to you saving hours upon hours of your RL time isnt important but to some people it is. And thinking your time is valuable and playing video games are not mutually exclusive, it just means they might not want to spent ALL thier time doing something that isnt fun to begin with.

I dont see how you can consider it cheating. If one of your friends twink you out or give you pp are you a cheater? The fact that real currency changes hands doesnt make it any different than the aforementioned. The money was in the game to begin with, it only switched hands.

Now if the money was from an exploit then thats a different story, but money made through the natural progression of the game that gets sold isnt cheating in any way, shape or form.

As far as your comment about "winning the game" thats absurd, the game isnt only about what your wearing, thats just a means to an end. Personally i play the game for the fighting not for the equipment. I'd hazard a guess that most others do as well, as the equipment would be worthless if there was nothing to use it on...might as well be playing The Sims Online. I've been playing the game for 5 years and had the best equipment i could get on different characters at various times..never did i think i beat the game.

What the hell do morals have to do with it? Like i said if your buddy just gave you 50k platnium would you be saying the same stuff?..i highly doubt it. The only difference is that you dont know the person your getting the plat. from. Hell some people pay extra to go to Stormhammer and get special treatment are they cheaters also?


Basically get off your high horse. If you have ever given someone something they didnt get themselves or earn the plat. for then you have contributed to cheating according to your statement. Ever powerlevel a friend, your a cheater, ever give them your hand-me-downs?...cheater!....see how silly that sounds?

The plat. people are buying was earned by someone, its not like it magically only appears when someone buys it. The only difference is who's bank its sitting in...you may not like it but its far from cheating.

/rant off

Make everything no drop.

So that the "kiddies" will have no reason to use daddies credit card anymore.

And also, these "kiddies" are also able to get online and post uneducated drivle to support buying and selling plat.

Who's the kid, and who's the adult here? Krokan was reasonable, and respected a differing opinion while posting his own. You responded by attacking him and his opinion. That's the adult thing to do all right. How exactly does buying plat belittle someone else's accomplishment again? If I spend 60-70 hours at work because that's the kind of job I have (I don't, and its not, but go with me on this one) I have to spend time with my family if I have one, and my hobby, which would be EQ. Hey I choose to have that job, and have that family, and have this hobby. If I choose to balance the 20-30 hours I could be spending on EQ, by turning a portion of that money into EQ money, how does that belittle your accomplishments?

The way I look at it, buying plat online just makes the game more "real" because there are all different kinds of people out there... financially you could probably break most of them down into scraping along and middle class- working and living from paycheck to paycheck (grind session to grind session), the nouvea riche- the people with next to no time commitments out of game able to spend more than half the day ever day all week/year working the game system for plat to upgrade, and the old money- the people who don't spend much time working because they're already well situated financially.

Of course all of this is wasted on you, because you're so engrossed in you, and your game, and your play, and your values that you don't seem to understand others may not be wrong, and you may not be right. The reason they're called values is because you should keep them to yourself and not give them away so freely.