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#27 Aug 25 2004 at 12:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Yep, it is a pain in the butt being continually harassed. My main is a high level shammie. I have to stay anon all the time to keep from getting continually asked for buffs. Sometimes I give them, sometimes not. I always sow for corpse runners though. Always buff guildies too.
#28 Aug 25 2004 at 12:55 PM Rating: Decent
One of the best things about having a druid is that you make money buffing and sowing. How many times have I been asked for a port and get nothing in return? Why is that? Because ports are not nessecary, they just help. Half the time I have to do a group port because im out of fragments. It's not like it's difficult to cast sow. Many peole need sow for certain things, so you are more likely to be paid. It's pathetic that you complain about a steady income.

The only reason I mention ports is to show you that I am somewhat familiar with these things. It's what your class does. You buff, you sow, people like you.

On the other hand, it can be irritating to be doing something then get a tell for a sow. This is why english includes a little word called no. If the person doesn't like you becauseof it, I dont know why you want a person like that to like you anyway.
#29 Aug 25 2004 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
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Wouldn't you want someone to help YOU out.

No, I rely on myself. I get myself out of the messes I make and never expect or even ask anyone else to fix my problems for me.

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Bunch of asses

Just one big one... YOU!
#30 Aug 25 2004 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Cardiak wrote:

What i mean when i said that Sow could save their life, is say they are running thru a zone and get aggroed by a mob, with the sow on the would survive, without it they could die. Making them CR, AND costing them real time making up the experienced lost if they didnt get a rez.


So would a little thinking on their part. Try NOT running through the thick of mobs. Believe it or not, SOW is not going to make a successful CR run. If anything it will get you there a bit faster. It is a convenience, not a neccessity.

Cardiak wrote:
Regarding Rangers never getting asked? what crack are you on? If they dont know to ask a ranger for sow then they really are newbies.


Well, you answered that one yourself.


Cardiak wrote:
Shaman, Druid, Ranger, Beastlord. 4 classes that are able to cast sow. Regardless of all your whining it takes no time what so ever to give someone a sow. Get off your high horses, and help a person out in real life.


Actually it does take time. It takes apprx 4.5 sec to cast (with items perhaps less). Oh yeah and the time to regen the mana spent (not much, but it is still some time). Oh and the time it took to get to a level to cast that spell...which I am pretty sure the recepeint of the spell did not help in at all.


Cardiak wrote:
Wouldn't you want someone to help YOU out.

Bunch of asses


Nope, normally I figure I got myself into this mess, I can get myself out of it. I have the same attitude with my cleric, rogue and bard. It is something called being responsible for your own actions and accepting the consequences...though I know that is a foreign concept to most people now days and especially true of folks in EQ.

Poor planning on your part, does not constitute an emergency on my part. Quit being such a slack jaw.
#31 Aug 25 2004 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
I will ALWAYS cast a SoW for somebody, unless they are being a$$hats about it. Usually some kitty crack to go with it too, if they want. It really isn't THAT big of a bother, unless people don't ask politly. In that case I ignore them and if they get rude, I usually give them a /rude along with a /emot slaps %t across the face with his warty troll wang. Politness goes a long way, and if it's there I will go out of my way to help somebody out.
#32 Aug 25 2004 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Grrrr....double posts.....


Edited, Wed Aug 25 14:15:20 2004 by StandsInShadow
#33 Aug 25 2004 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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is say they are running thru a zone and get aggroed by a mob, with the sow on the would survive, without it they could die.


You make my case. Poor planning. Why are they running through a zone with aggro-crazy critters who might kill them without SoW?
A CR perhaps? Oh my, what could they do? Hey you! I need SOW AHIEEE...

They DESERVE TO DIE!

Any sensible person would figure if they needed SoW that bad, hang out in PoK and wait 5 minutes for someone to advertise.
#34 Aug 25 2004 at 1:19 PM Rating: Default
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Cardiak wrote:

What i mean when i said that Sow could save their life, is say they are running thru a zone and get aggroed by a mob, with the sow on the would survive, without it they could die. Making them CR, AND costing them real time making up the experienced lost if they didnt get a rez.


So would a little thinking on their part. Try NOT running through the thick of mobs. Believe it or not, SOW is not going to make a successful CR run. If anything it will get you there a bit faster. It is a convenience, not a necessity.

Cardiak wrote:
Regarding Rangers never getting asked? what crack are you on? If they dont know to ask a ranger for sow then they really are newbies.


Well, you answered that one yourself.


Cardiak wrote:
Shaman, Druid, Ranger, Beastlord. 4 classes that are able to cast sow. Regardless of all your whining it takes no time what so ever to give someone a sow. Get off your high horses, and help a person out in real life.


Actually it does take time. It takes apprx 4.5 sec to cast (with items perhaps less). Oh yeah and the time to regen the mana spent (not much, but it is still some time). Oh and the time it took to get to a level to cast that spell...which I am pretty sure the recipient of the spell did not help in at all.


Cardiak wrote:
Wouldn't you want someone to help YOU out.

Bunch of asses


Nope, normally I figure I got myself into this mess, I can get myself out of it. I have the same attitude with my cleric, rogue and bard. It is something called being responsible for your own actions and accepting the consequences...though I know that is a foreign concept to most people now days and especially true of folks in EQ.

Poor planning on your part, does not constitute an emergency on my part. Quit being such a slack jaw.


Wow you truly are the the captain of the asshats.

First off, ANYTHING can happen, they could run by a POP, they could get a slight lag spike and run into a mob, ANYTHING can happen. That is the weakest justification i have ever heard. It could just as easily saved them. I cant believe you have the audacity to continue in this! It is a convience? IF they did aggro a mob, its just a lil more then a convience its a bloody life saver.

Oh please, dont even try with that whole 4.5 casting time bit. That is absouletly nothing, and the time to regen mana spent??? oh come on, its a 30 mana cast for gods sake.

You just keep digging a deeper grave here. The bottom line is that your the captain of the asshats. You basically don't want to help other people out for your whole 4.5 casting time. That's fine.

Everyone Salute Capt. Asshat
#35 Aug 25 2004 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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Wouldn't you want someone to help YOU out.

Bunch of asses


Tough one. I have asked for help before. Specifically for a high level enchanter to enchant some mithril for me. I found a 49+ enchanter in Abysmal Sea, send him a nice tell asking if he was not too busy etc. and I would pay.

He says sorry, I do not have that spell.

I say OK thanks anyway.

Did I get in his face about what kind of Enchanter doesn't have all his spells? No. Did I call him an *** for not 'helping me out'? No. Would having enchanted mithril 'save my life'? Maybe, with the gear I was going to make...

I take it 'Bunch of asses' is your signature?...
#36 Aug 25 2004 at 1:29 PM Rating: Default
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[/quote]Did I get in his face about what kind of Enchanter doesn't have all his spells? No. Did I call him an *** for not 'helping me out'? No. Would having enchanted mithril 'save my life'? Maybe, with the gear I was going to make...[quote]


You are implying that every person that asks you for a sow is obnoxious and "gets in your face". I agree 100% that you shouldnt bother with those people, I am talking about the person that just comes up to you nicely and asks for a Sow. IT really isnt that hard to do.
#37 Aug 25 2004 at 1:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Very mature post...I applaud you.

Cardiak wrote:

Wow you truly are the the captain of the asshats.

First off, ANYTHING can happen, they could run by a POP, they could get a slight lag spike and run into a mob, ANYTHING can happen. That is the weakest justification i have ever heard. It could just as easily saved them. I cant believe you have the audacity to continue in this! It is a convience? IF they did aggro a mob, its just a lil more then a convience its a bloody life saver.


Okay you DO understand this is just a game? No one is really dying? Just clarifying.
Also a little forethought, some planning, possibly looking at a map, would all make the need for SoW a moot point.


Cardiak wrote:

Oh please, dont even try with that whole 4.5 casting time bit. That is absouletly nothing, and the time to regen mana spent??? oh come on, its a 30 mana cast for gods sake.

I notice the helping you level bit was glossed over. Oh, and it is 40 mana. Remember that bit out planning?


Cardiak wrote:

You just keep digging a deeper grave here. The bottom line is that your the captain of the asshats. You basically don't want to help other people out for your whole 4.5 casting time. That's fine.

Everyone Salute Capt. Asshat


Actually the time has nothing to do with it. The demanding or expectation of a service from someone, with no regard for their dignity, much less any other compensation is.

This takes us all back to the responsiblity for your own actions bit. Please try to keep up.


Edited, Wed Aug 25 14:38:40 2004 by StandsInShadow
#38 Aug 25 2004 at 1:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmmmm.....this IS getting annoying. First time I have had double posting issues.


Edited, Wed Aug 25 14:35:35 2004 by StandsInShadow
#39 Aug 25 2004 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good
I agree with you Dot. I know when I used to play a druid I got hit for SOW all of the time. Those who have druids and shammy's who do not have this happen to them...well, you are lucky. Rangers are a bit different...most look for druids when looking for SOW.

I think people need to realize that we are all here to have fun playing a game...some people do not find it fun to buff everyone that asks out of the blue...and when they are questing or grouping or otherwise occupied, they can rightfully turn down a request...especially an impersonal I-found-you-by-doing-who-druid request.

I know that there were times when I just did not want to stop and SOW so I declined the request. There were also plenty of time I would drop SOW on people for no reason, just to be friendly.

I get the same thing for temps playing my cleric. People do not realize that it takes a decent amount of mana for a temp...if I am in a group my mana belongs to the group. I am not gonna temp your group before I zone in and show up with low mana for my group. If I turn you down you complain that I am being inconsiderate...but in reality I am being more than considerate of those who I am grouping with. As a cleric (and true with druids also) or mana means heals to our group. I waste my mana giving your group temp then I am doing a disservice to my group.

I agree with your ideas and they reflect the way I used to run my SOW giving characters.
#40 Aug 25 2004 at 1:33 PM Rating: Decent
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/anon makes you completely anon for everyone, including your guildies.

?role actually makes your lvl and class anon but everything else shows i.e. your guild and zone.

If you /role, like I do, your guildies can still see who you are what class, lvl, and zone but those who are not a part of your guild can only see your name.

That way you can be available for guildies but other ppl wont be prone to disturb you as much
#41 Aug 25 2004 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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sorry bout the bunch of asses remark...


No, I will SoW people who ask nicely or even newbies I see struggling with that Giant Wasp.

Again, what I am objecting to is the mindset of:

You are SoW caster? Hey Cast Sow on me now! What? NO?

The only way to get back the respect is to DENY SOW unless WE decide! Sorry to inconvience you nice people but you will understand...
#42 Aug 25 2004 at 1:38 PM Rating: Decent
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BTW just to clarify.

Asshat is a tattoo normally found on a woman's lower waistline, just above the buttocks. Not really all that bad of a place to reside. Smiley: grin
#43 Aug 25 2004 at 1:42 PM Rating: Default
You [/b]DO[b]understand that it will take them RL time to make up that exp that they lost right? I noticed that you "glossed" right over my Lag spike or spawn pop right in front of them arguement as well.

Regarding the 40 mana, its still nothing to cast. Regarding the "demanding", as i stated earlier, if they are being an asshat about demanding a sow then F'em of course. I am talking about the people that ask politely for a sow.

It really boils down to you just being an asshat.

Try and keep up pls.
#44 Aug 25 2004 at 1:43 PM Rating: Default
I understand what your trying to say Dothammer, and i agree with you. I am just trying to help that lil guy out in which that sow would be VERY helpful to them. Sow is probably the greatest spell in EQ, it helps with so many situations its not even funny.
#45 Aug 25 2004 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
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You do understand that the original post was a rant and a humorous attempt to organize a boycott of random buff requests?

I shall follow my guidelines, if only to SAVE THE CHILDREN...

#46 Aug 25 2004 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Cardiak wrote:
You [/b]DO[b]understand that it will take them RL time to make up that exp that they lost right? I noticed that you "glossed" right over my Lag spike or spawn pop right in front of them arguement as well.

Regarding the 40 mana, its still nothing to cast. Regarding the "demanding", as i stated earlier, if they are being an asshat about demanding a sow then F'em of course. I am talking about the people that ask politely for a sow.

It really boils down to you just being an asshat.

Try and keep up pls.


Ummm...actually the forethought, planning and a map should take care of the spawn pop. I dont think that SoW is going to help them with acts of god, no matter how high the lvl, so a lag spike is kinda a moot point. As a matter of fact, it could be worse to have SoW on as a lag spike might lag them into a whole nest of high level mobs that otherwise they could avoid and keep them from another CR.

Okay if they are wanting to save RL time lost on xp they need a rezz...NOT a SoW. Also I would wager they would waste more time hanging around POK begging for a SOW than it would have taken them to run get their corpse and loot it.

It all boils down as you say, to you refusing to admit that you are incorrect and that SOW is NOT a needed, must have buff for a CR. Pride is a terrible thing sometimes.
#47 Aug 25 2004 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
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That sow could quite easily save their lives, and there by saving them a hour of RL gaming time. Stop being so selfish and dry your damm eyes


Then they should learn to ask for it politely. It really isn't that big a deal. I go most places unsowed and all it costs is time.

If it is that important to someone then they should plan ahead.

The point was not that people should not have SoW but that they have no right to stop you whatever you are doing and expect you to travel to them to cast it.
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#48 Aug 25 2004 at 1:53 PM Rating: Default
I understand, the only part i agree with you on is the " in your face, demanding people ". I just dont see the justification in not helping other players out. ESPECIALLY when it only costs mana.

#49 Aug 25 2004 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I have actually gotten tells for a SoW and when I do a /who on them I see that they are in a totally different zone, sometimes several zones away.

I have no issues whatsoever helping someone out, but when they expect me to take RL time out of my game so that they lose less RL time in their game and cannot even say please or thank you. Well, then I have issues.
#50 Aug 25 2004 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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I just dont see the justification in not helping


You miss my point. We need a tough-love approach to rid ourselves of the mindset. I am glad to help out people. I do it all the time. What I want is RESPECT! And the only way to do that is to take control of what is ours. To deny a thing is to control a thing (paraphrasing Paul Attraides). Once people understand that SoW is not to be expected on demand we can move forward.
#51 Aug 25 2004 at 2:14 PM Rating: Default
Forget CR, i am talking about running thru a zone in general. Careful planning and mapping as you say can help. You of course can not know the Spawn POP of every area in every zone. Look man, if you dont want to admit that sow can save your char's life in the game then you are just deluding yourself. I cant count the number of times a sow had saved my life while running thru the zone.

You cant PLAN everything that is going to happen in a game. SoW as i have repeatedly said can save a char's life. As i have stated SEVERAL times through out this thread, if the person is being an *** or is demanding then dont help them. If they politely ask you then give it to them.

Pride??? please do not talk to me about Pride, when you are the one who refuses to SoW people KNOWING that it helps them considerably.
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