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#152 Feb 27 2005 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
Karthos, in my opinion "Can we get a sow?" isn't exactly polite. "Plz?" shows that they have reduced themself to begging and what they said after that proves that he was right in not sowing them.
#153 Feb 27 2005 at 9:28 AM Rating: Good
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It takes no more than a couple seconds to cast the spell. He was being a jerk. Plain as that.


That is taken out of context though. Yes, he may have sounded like an *** at that moment, to that guy, and to you if you take it as an isolated incident, but he had been dealing with that type of behavior already for an extended amount of time. You could say it was just the straw that broke the camels back. It happens to everyone. Something annoys you and you take it in stride, until finally you've had enough, regardless of if it was the same person.

He didn't say he wouldn't buff them. He asked them to hold on a minute. You know what happens if my kids keep pestering me for something after I tell them to hold on a minute? They sure as hell don't get what they wanted, I can tell you that. That's what it boils down to here in most cases I think. Most people don't mind people that act like polite, consciencious adults. If you're acting like a little whining brat, you grate on peoples nerves.

Here's my suggestion for all those people out there that HAVE to beg for SoW.... ask a ranger! I can speak from personal experience, I LOVED passing out SoW with my ranger. It made him feel wanted! I bet if you ask a ranger for SoW, he'll throw every buff on you that he can without even asking if you want them. Everybody wanted 1 or 2 buffs from him all the time, everything else the druid could do better, so when a newb asked for SoW, I was there to cast it. So, pump up those rangers egos a little, make them feel wanted, ask THEM for a SoW.
#154 Feb 27 2005 at 11:07 AM Rating: Decent
hehe I quit eq a long time ago with a druid as my main and this wasa big issue way back then.

Glad to see some things haven't changed at least.

I don't think most people who have SoW mind helping someone in need, it's when people get rude with their requests andsome even expect it of you whenever they want it. I remember a guy over on kunark somewhere asking me for sow and expected me to come clear across the zone because I was faster than him.

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#155 Feb 28 2005 at 10:45 AM Rating: Default
/rant on

Elitist pricks!!!!

/rant off


You know I read through these boards and actually found an old topic that has happened since day one of this game and after 6 mos or so brought it back to the fornt to see if opinions had changed.

The amount of single line obnoxious flames and attitudes is ridiculous. I will state my opinion and rehash old ideas and you can keep your hole shut or you can talk newer alla's members and let them know so all the damn noob's can learn!
#156 Feb 28 2005 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Umm..no. In his post he tells of this

Go to Steamfont, check windmill merchants. Go see if Kobold Missionary is up and he is. Head to Minos Mine and buff up. Two low-level gnomes there, one a necro.
'Can we get a sow?'
I say, 'sorry busy atm, maybe in a sec.'
'Plz?'
(Oh yeah that's gonna convince me...)
'Can you thistle shield my pet?'
I say 'What do I look like? Your personal servant?'
'Obvioulsy not since you wont do what you are told'
'Hope you like Kobolds cause a screaming Kobold Shaman is coming this way'
To which they respond with the usual l33t remark topped off with a 'beeotch'.

They asked him politely for a sow. They were at the same area. It takes no more than a couple seconds to cast the spell. He was being a jerk. Plain as that. I have no idea what kind of person he is, but this little example shows me he was in the wrong here.
Wait who's the jerk now? If anyone told me I had to do what they told me I'd tell them where to stick it.

Also to those players who do a /who all "class" and ask for buffs through tells, please don't. If you need a buff use /ooc with a PST at the end. I also get a lot of tells asking if I'm in PoK. If you're in PoK use /ooc if I'm there and willing to buff I'll send a tell or /ooc stating so.
#157 Feb 28 2005 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey Can I get a SOW PLEASE!!!!
#158 Feb 28 2005 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
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Just some random clarifications for the 'newer' posts to this thread.

Yes the Original Post was 'over the top' and was supposed to be.
Note humourous warning at the top then look up the word 'hyperbole'.

I SoW people all the time even when they do not ask so I am not a buff-snob.

Original Post was about people who expect you to cast buffs (yes mage buffs too) just because, then get rude if you politely refuse. Sure my 'solution' was drastic, look up 'hyperbole' again.

The steamfont incident is prime. I was preparing to take out a mob for xp and the PCs in question asked me for SoW. I said (politlely) that I was busy, maybe in a second (after I was through with MY buisness). It's not like SoW was life or death for them taking out the windmill mobs. I would have buffed them too, except they then just got demanding. Whoever quoted the example of whining kids was spot-on.

#159 Feb 28 2005 at 2:11 PM Rating: Default
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You know I read through these boards and actually found an old topic that has happened since day one of this game and after 6 mos or so brought it back to the fornt to see if opinions had changed.

Shup, you. Necroposting is considered bad form around here. If you want an opinion, start a new thread.
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#160 Feb 28 2005 at 2:18 PM Rating: Default
/Sarcasm

Yes Boss!

/Sarcasm off
#161 Feb 28 2005 at 2:34 PM Rating: Default
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Yes Boss!

See? Even you can learn to respect your betters.
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#162 Mar 01 2005 at 6:48 AM Rating: Default
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I'm just responding to the encounter that you describe in your original post. This was the way it happened right?

A low level asks you for a sow. He wasn't rude. He simply asked, "Can I have a sow?" Instead of taking a couple seconds and a little mana (very little mana) to give the poor guy a sow you say "maybe in a sec?" You were not engaged with a mob and you were both standing at the same place. What this means is that you consider 10 seconds of your time more precious than several minutes of his time or however long it would have taken you to run in kill that mob and run back out. That's what it boils down to. And there wasn't even a guarantee that would sow him after you were done. "Maybe in a sec." Maybe you were being a jerk and didn't realize it?


Edit: Btw, something I've noticed? Who'd have figured that denouncing someone for not helping out low levels when it doesn't inconvenience them would give me such low posting karma? Is it really wrong to take a couple of seconds to help out a low level. From looking at how people keep rating my posts down, guess so. :(

Edited, Tue Mar 1 06:55:59 2005 by Karthos
#163 Mar 01 2005 at 7:37 AM Rating: Decent
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No it's not wrong, it's just that you seem to imply that Dot is obliged to buff people when certainly he's not.

No matter how polite they are, buffing someone is by choice, politeness helps, but remember by asking you are giving the person you ask a choice and so must accept all possible answers. Otherwise you're telling.
#164 Mar 01 2005 at 7:44 AM Rating: Decent
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I let it drop last time but this fool don't learn. Debalic, even if you were a Developer, GM, Guide and had 10 70 toons on every server all rolled into one you couldn't possibly be as Godlike as you seem to think you are. Who the hell are you to tell someone to shut up? Or was that also a humorous comment? Doesn't it register on you that people want to talk about this subject since they are posting to it? Why doesn't it penetrate why your score is only default after 6,000 plus posts?

I try to avoid reading your drivel but you are ubiquitous and I can't help mesself the same way you can't avoid probing a bad tooth with yer tongue. I hate to rain on your parade bro since you apparently live online but you really should turn on the lights and go outside your apartment once in a while. You'd get yer *** kicked for talking to strangers like that in RL.

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#165 Mar 01 2005 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
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A low level asks you for a sow. He wasn't rude. He simply asked, "Can I have a sow?" Instead of taking a couple seconds and a little mana (very little mana) to give the poor guy a sow you say "maybe in a sec?" You were not engaged with a mob and you were both standing at the same place. What this means is that you consider 10 seconds of your time more precious than several minutes of his time or however long it would have taken you to run in kill that mob and run back out. That's what it boils down to. And there wasn't even a guarantee that would sow him after you were done. "Maybe in a sec." Maybe you were being a jerk and didn't realize it?


Close but no cigar.

These two were actively hunting the mobs near the Mino mine. They saw me pull up and probably /who and saw I was a druid and asked for sow. Well sorry, Sow was not memmed, I was just about to launch my attack.

Oh no, can't do that. Can't be a jerk and say, 'hang on a sec'. No, I have to unmemm a needed spell, mem SoW, AND damage shield, oh and they probably needed skin too, heck throw a STR on us and our pets while you are at it...

Mob in question was maybe one or two levels lower than me, heals itself, and I would have used more than half my mana to defeat it. No I did not have any mana to spare. So your ten seconds just turned into 5 minutes. Oops, my own buffs just ran out, gotta med and rebuff...make that 10 minutes.

Sorry bub. If they were patient I would have done ALL that, but they were not so "too bad so sad". What it boils down to is NO you dont deserve SoW or any buff "just because" and if you pester me you just earned a /ignore.
#166 Mar 01 2005 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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No matter how polite they are, buffing someone is by choice, politeness helps, but remember by asking you are giving the person you ask a choice and so must accept all possible answers. Otherwise you're telling.


That point is absolutely key.

So many people seem to think that they can guilt you into things merely by being asking. As if there was only one answer available to you.

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#167 Mar 01 2005 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
This thread is now officially sentient and can continue to live of it's own volition.

Also, I was feeling a bit left out that I was the only person that's posted at Alla's in the last five years that hadn't chimed in here...
#168 Mar 01 2005 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
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#169 Mar 01 2005 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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This thread is now officially sentient and can continue to live of it's own volition.

Also, I was feeling a bit left out that I was the only person that's posted at Alla's in the last five years that hadn't chimed in here...

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Prime examples of why necroposting is teh lose...
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#170 Mar 01 2005 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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/em doffs cap and bows...

I shall be (in)famous all of my days for creating this thread...yay me!
#171 Mar 01 2005 at 3:26 PM Rating: Default
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/applaud Dothammer.
It's not everyone who gets a shot at immortality :-)

#172 Mar 01 2005 at 4:43 PM Rating: Default
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So let me get this straight it takes you 5 minutes to mem sow and a damage shield and mem up that mana again? See, now your starting to throw around the bs. I just wish you people would open your eyes. He is not a "good" guy. 1% of your mana pool does not take 5 minutes to med back. It does not take 5 minutes to mem 2 spells. I stand by my original statement. A simple spell would have helped them so much yet you CHOSE not to help them. Why? Because you were acting like a jerk. You may or may not be one, but the evidence in this case is clear.
#173 Mar 01 2005 at 4:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Prime examples of why necroposting is teh lose..


With over 6,400 posts, you've proven that you're willing to reply to just about any post, regardless of when or why. I'm really not sure why this is such a bug up your greaves. I can't imagine why it bothers you or anyone else to revive a thread, as long as the post is topical. Ironically, if they did start another thread as you suggested, they would have inevitably been set upon by the Duplicate Thread ****'s.

Unless you have your sights set on the 10,000 mark, just exercise your right to ignore.
#174 Mar 01 2005 at 5:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Nope. Evidence points towards the two beggars as being jerks.

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I say, 'sorry busy atm, maybe in a sec.'

Randomly bugging someone who's about to engage mobs in an exp zone is not the most appropriate time to ask for buffs. ******** at someone who is busy is not going to make matters any better. Demanding someone cast a spell for you solely because they have that spell is asinine. What you do with your own character is not to be dictated by someone else.

I'm sure that if the two gnomes had held out for the duration of a fight that Dothammer would have gladly given their buffs. But no, everybody expects instant gratification and catering to their every whim.

What could the gnomes have done differently? Waited till Dothammer was done with his kill, or even helped finish the kill therefore saving time, and mana for the buffs.
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#175 Mar 01 2005 at 5:07 PM Rating: Decent
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1 sow? 10 seconds? Maybe.

No, there were two of them with a pet each. I was not about to set up a buffing station for 2 characters who were getting along just fine without my buffs.

I did not come to an out of the way place to buff people. I came for my own purpose. If I buff you it is my choice and your lucky day.

Lets experiment and you other casters tell me if I am exagerating. By the way I did not have any clarity or even breeze.

Test:
I unmemm a spell, and memm SoW. I have to wait for SoW to refresh before I can cast. Now, cast and refresh SoW 4 times, don't want to be a jerk and not give everybody SoW. Ok, while I am waiting to recast SoW I save time and mem Damage Shield. Remember he wanted that for his pet. Oh, make that 2 pets I forgot. Hmm there is a refresh time on DS as well...Dang another spell gem needs to be rememmed... Skin has an even longer refresh and takes a good chunk of mana to boot. Oh, forgot STR too...

Ok now I have to rememm the original spells, and med up. Oh no, my own buffs just wore off. Dang, rememm buffs, wait for refresh, buff self...OMG! OOM! Yes it does take 5 minutes or *gasp* longer to go from OOM to FM. Yes I would be OOM if I did the above.

And the above scenario would take at LEAST 10 minutes to achieve and get back to square 1. If you doubt me, ask any buff class person.





#176 Mar 01 2005 at 5:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Here is one so maybe you will not think I am such a jerk...

Cruising through Dagnars on our way to Kedge Keep. Me (druid) and warrior. Our SoW was running out, so we stop just before crossing the lake. Some low level character (no idea how he found us we were in the middle of nowhere) comes up and asks for sow. My warrior pal is ROFL cause he knows all about this thread. I HAVE SoW memmed and have fresh KEI. I say: I guess this is your lucky day... I Sow him and threw whatever other buff I had memmed at the moment.
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