I could give lots of examples to prove Dot is not a jerk (logged on an unlogged cleric more times than I care to remember to give me rezzes, just for starters). But Dot's jerkiness is not at question here.
From what I understand the post was originally just a tongue and cheek attempt to convey a frustration shared by many. If even one person thinks twice about rudely demanding buffs, then it has served it's purpose.
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#177
Mar 01 2005 at 5:42 PM
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
#178
Mar 02 2005 at 6:28 AM
/supports Dots non jerkiness.
Entertaining thread though, ain't it?
Entertaining thread though, ain't it?
#179
Mar 02 2005 at 10:55 AM
Aye, that it is. Just to keep the ball rampaging...
I think everyone is basically talking more about manners and less about when it is or is not appropriate to cast sow on a stranger. For most players sow is a low level spell and seldom a big deal to cast. I personally feel that it's tacky to take a donation for buffs in the field and I'm usually happy to throw a buff someone's way depending on the circumstances. If someone asks me for a buff (it's seldom for sow) whilst I'm fighting or crossing a zone they will be ignored without bothering to add them to Ignore. If I'm sitting with me group on a med break, why not?
Recently a high level toon unknown to me gave a Ceramic Shield to my 35 druid. I was dumbfounded at the time but in light of this thread I'm thinking, did that toon have an alt that me druid was kind to? Hmm.....
On the other hand I was running back to PC on a CR with me 15 warrior and paused by the Nexus stone to say (not /OOC) "can anyone spare a sow"? Someone sowed me without a word (a nekkid troll is hard to miss) but I was able to pick out the caster from the POK spam. I camped me war, logged on my shammy and hit that person with a full compliment of low level buffs (he was only 30 something). Sent him a tell saying Wrathlore said Hi.
I'm not saying that you should buff strangers because you might get something good in return. But it has been my experience that what goes around comes around be it good or bad.
I don't only remember the jerks, I remember the good ones too.
#180
Mar 03 2005 at 4:35 AM
I completly understand where dot is comming from here. As a druid I recieve on average 2 tells within 5 minutes of being in PoK and as long as I'm not in a hurry I'll buff them without any arguements. It's those F***ing pricks that demand it without so much as a thank you.
For example: soandso tells you: sow thorns chloro
You would not belive how common this exact tell is. I understand they are short buffs but when they take off running as soon as the third spell lands. I'm talkin before the spell graphics wear off they are already out of site without even a thank you. It takes less than 5 seconds to say thanks not to mention that it could be said while casting the buffs. And whats worse is when they come back every 15 minutes and send the same tell. Again no thanks or anything. Not even an attempt to donate.
I've even had people offer to donate when they send me the tell and guess what. As soon as the third spells lands they are out of site with no coin in my pocket.
Hell, I've even been sitting in PoK with AFK up sitting in the jewelers hut doing TS's and had people walk right up to me and ask me for a sow. If my AFK is up I obviously don't want to be bothered so I don't respond but people have actually sat in front of me waiting for me to move. This is pathetic. Quit being so F***ing cheap and go get a F***ing potion. If you want a buff ask. I have no problem buffing as long as it's not demanded of me.
As long as I'm on a rant lets get on the subject of PLing. I refuse to do it. Get off your lazy A** and work for your levels like everyone else.
Being a druid I get asked to PL someone at least once a week and what I find funny is that people actually expect you to sit there for hours on end buffing them like thats what your purpose in game is. I've had someone send me tells for over an hour because I told him I wouldnt do it. Quit whinning that it takes to long to level. If your not willin to put in the time than quit playing. It's only gonna get worse. Not to mention if you have the PP to pay for someone to PL ou just go twink yourself and learn how to play your toon. That's what the lower levels are for.
For example: soandso tells you: sow thorns chloro
You would not belive how common this exact tell is. I understand they are short buffs but when they take off running as soon as the third spell lands. I'm talkin before the spell graphics wear off they are already out of site without even a thank you. It takes less than 5 seconds to say thanks not to mention that it could be said while casting the buffs. And whats worse is when they come back every 15 minutes and send the same tell. Again no thanks or anything. Not even an attempt to donate.
I've even had people offer to donate when they send me the tell and guess what. As soon as the third spells lands they are out of site with no coin in my pocket.
Hell, I've even been sitting in PoK with AFK up sitting in the jewelers hut doing TS's and had people walk right up to me and ask me for a sow. If my AFK is up I obviously don't want to be bothered so I don't respond but people have actually sat in front of me waiting for me to move. This is pathetic. Quit being so F***ing cheap and go get a F***ing potion. If you want a buff ask. I have no problem buffing as long as it's not demanded of me.
As long as I'm on a rant lets get on the subject of PLing. I refuse to do it. Get off your lazy A** and work for your levels like everyone else.
Being a druid I get asked to PL someone at least once a week and what I find funny is that people actually expect you to sit there for hours on end buffing them like thats what your purpose in game is. I've had someone send me tells for over an hour because I told him I wouldnt do it. Quit whinning that it takes to long to level. If your not willin to put in the time than quit playing. It's only gonna get worse. Not to mention if you have the PP to pay for someone to PL ou just go twink yourself and learn how to play your toon. That's what the lower levels are for.
#181
Mar 03 2005 at 10:24 AM
To add to the list here.
Took my level 21 chanter to PC and try to get a group.. No Problem.. get one in 2 seconds at B2.
I start buffing the group mates and i get a tell asking for Breeze.. np i got it loaded already.. but i tell them to come to me.. no way am i going to be running around casting breeze on people when the group i'm in is pulling mobs. np the guy comes to the camp.. i cast it on him.. he leaves.. gues what.. he sends another tell asking me to rebuff him later.. same response.. come to me.. i am not leaving. He never came.. ohh well.
And yes.. switching spells... casting.. medding.. switch spells..pay attention to the group.. and mez or slow mobs.. is very time consuming action.. not for some toon to come up asking for buffs while your in the middle of fighting.
Took my level 21 chanter to PC and try to get a group.. No Problem.. get one in 2 seconds at B2.
I start buffing the group mates and i get a tell asking for Breeze.. np i got it loaded already.. but i tell them to come to me.. no way am i going to be running around casting breeze on people when the group i'm in is pulling mobs. np the guy comes to the camp.. i cast it on him.. he leaves.. gues what.. he sends another tell asking me to rebuff him later.. same response.. come to me.. i am not leaving. He never came.. ohh well.
And yes.. switching spells... casting.. medding.. switch spells..pay attention to the group.. and mez or slow mobs.. is very time consuming action.. not for some toon to come up asking for buffs while your in the middle of fighting.
#182
Mar 03 2005 at 11:35 AM
I have a shaman, Druid and Ranger i will cast sow on people that need for a CR, but if im busy { Tradeskills, etc..} I will not go outa my way to hunt this person down.. and I dont feel like i owe anyone buffs { having never begged for buffs or anything else} its down right rude to give someone a tell and ask for buffs. heck, make a 2nd account and buff your self... my non casters have never asked..
#183
Mar 03 2005 at 11:44 AM
*chuckle*
Oh, by the way, I have an enchanter too...
Cruising through The Overthere looking for xp. I am muddling solo when I pass by a few people by the Skyfire ramp. One is in Bear form, asks for Clarity. Sure, I, C the 3 people in the group. Do I get an invite? No.
Now lets say you are a Shaman (bear-form) and someone drops Clarity on you, what do you do? Right, you pop them with a SoW without even asking right? Not only did this joker NOT give me SoW, he had the audacity to ask for Clarity a half hour later. I am leaving so no problem...no casted SoW again so this time I ask.
Oh, by the way, I have an enchanter too...
Cruising through The Overthere looking for xp. I am muddling solo when I pass by a few people by the Skyfire ramp. One is in Bear form, asks for Clarity. Sure, I, C the 3 people in the group. Do I get an invite? No.
Now lets say you are a Shaman (bear-form) and someone drops Clarity on you, what do you do? Right, you pop them with a SoW without even asking right? Not only did this joker NOT give me SoW, he had the audacity to ask for Clarity a half hour later. I am leaving so no problem...no casted SoW again so this time I ask.
#184
Mar 03 2005 at 12:17 PM
My wizard has, on at least three occasions, been asked for clarity. 'boggle'
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
#185
Mar 03 2005 at 12:21 PM
So has my Cleric. 
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#186
Mar 03 2005 at 1:07 PM
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From what I understand the post was originally just a tongue and cheek attempt to convey a frustration shared by many. If even one person thinks twice about rudely demanding buffs, then it has served it's purpose.
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Entertaining thread though, ain't it?
So after the necroposting rant at me. Isn't it funny that I picked a good one to bring back forward.
It also shows that this problem really never went away over the course of years and watching the discussion even now it seems even with adding the potions to game that it will never go away and some players manners have gotten worse with time.
#188
Mar 03 2005 at 1:12 PM
My feeling on this is if I want to buff someone I will. Otherwise they are SOL. I generally put rude people on my ignore list so if they want to rude about it go ahead. I dont care about donations or anything like that. I will only accept other buffs like kei.
#189
Mar 04 2005 at 11:55 AM
Ok..just had to add more fuel to the fire. My 51 druid doesnt mind passing out a few buffs once in a while. However, I must also add that when this KEI and HOV addict needs his fix, he donates for them. Yeah.. maybe 50 plat each for 3 hours play time of buffs is not a huge amount to the level 60 plus dudes he is donating to, but at least it pays for some of the time they sit medding. A nice OOC in POK on Stromm along the lines of "Wimpie druid looking to donate for KEI and HOV for his fix. PST (Please send tell) to keep your privacy," will usually get me at least a reply, if not two or more, with lots of LOLs.
Sometimes while I wait people will send me tells asking to be ported somewhere.. Well.. 95 percent of the time, I was not headed that way,, so it takes me two ports to go there, plus mana and regen time. Most of the people will offer to donate, and I really dont care how much they give me. However, if it is a good donation, or they are on a CR and tell me, I will usually give them my group buff package when they zone in.. (Pack Chloro, Pack Damage Sheild, Pack SOW.)
/rant on
The main issue of Dots original post, however is the lack of regard for other players in the game. If someone demands something from me,, or tries to beg it of me, I really have no tolerance for that kind of conduct. I worked with my druid all the way to level 51 with some help from a few kind souls, (mostly guildies, <Thanks Z, Lyj, Trin, Bnob, Cuny and the rest.>)
I really appreciate a high level druid who had never been to Queynos Hills before who gave me a nice fee for guiding him around for a night. Not by begging for plat, or expecting others to give me high level buffs for free, but by paying attention to the OOCs, tells and other chat going on in-game, accepting tasks from NPC and PCs, and then doing the jobs. The game is called Everquest because you get experience for doing quests. GO do them, kill stuff and you will get your XP and the plats you are begging for.
Ask once, OK, maybe if you are nice or I am in a good mood. Ask again and it becomes begging, and not the in-game skill either. If I say I need a donation, either pay something, or go away. Leave me to my quests, unless I choose to aid you or you are willing to at least donate a few coppers to help yourself out.
/rant off
Ok, now, time to figure out what I am going to kill for my round of plat and XP.
Oh, and DOT, any chance this thread was dug up to give Twisted and the others something to read while they were banned? It really started a debate. Sony did you guys wrong, glad to hear at least one of you made it back.
Sometimes while I wait people will send me tells asking to be ported somewhere.. Well.. 95 percent of the time, I was not headed that way,, so it takes me two ports to go there, plus mana and regen time. Most of the people will offer to donate, and I really dont care how much they give me. However, if it is a good donation, or they are on a CR and tell me, I will usually give them my group buff package when they zone in.. (Pack Chloro, Pack Damage Sheild, Pack SOW.)
/rant on
The main issue of Dots original post, however is the lack of regard for other players in the game. If someone demands something from me,, or tries to beg it of me, I really have no tolerance for that kind of conduct. I worked with my druid all the way to level 51 with some help from a few kind souls, (mostly guildies, <Thanks Z, Lyj, Trin, Bnob, Cuny and the rest.>)
I really appreciate a high level druid who had never been to Queynos Hills before who gave me a nice fee for guiding him around for a night. Not by begging for plat, or expecting others to give me high level buffs for free, but by paying attention to the OOCs, tells and other chat going on in-game, accepting tasks from NPC and PCs, and then doing the jobs. The game is called Everquest because you get experience for doing quests. GO do them, kill stuff and you will get your XP and the plats you are begging for.
Ask once, OK, maybe if you are nice or I am in a good mood. Ask again and it becomes begging, and not the in-game skill either. If I say I need a donation, either pay something, or go away. Leave me to my quests, unless I choose to aid you or you are willing to at least donate a few coppers to help yourself out.
/rant off
Ok, now, time to figure out what I am going to kill for my round of plat and XP.
Oh, and DOT, any chance this thread was dug up to give Twisted and the others something to read while they were banned? It really started a debate. Sony did you guys wrong, glad to hear at least one of you made it back.
#190
Mar 04 2005 at 1:45 PM
No, you can go see who dug it up.
It is a touchy subject and not everything is as cut and dry (as my original 'guidelines' might have you do). Bottom line is, being a class with desirable buffs, I expect to be hit up for them. What I do not appreciate is the attitude that just because I can, I must. And if I deline, I am somehow a jerk or worse.
There have been plenty of times where I have been mysteriously buffed and turned around to see who it was, to find no one! To those I say thanks. I have been pretty good about repaying the favors in kind.
It is a touchy subject and not everything is as cut and dry (as my original 'guidelines' might have you do). Bottom line is, being a class with desirable buffs, I expect to be hit up for them. What I do not appreciate is the attitude that just because I can, I must. And if I deline, I am somehow a jerk or worse.
There have been plenty of times where I have been mysteriously buffed and turned around to see who it was, to find no one! To those I say thanks. I have been pretty good about repaying the favors in kind.
#191
Mar 04 2005 at 2:20 PM
I have never gone with /anon or /role....until last night.
I was receiving so many tells for Ports, Buffs and PL'ing that I had to do it!
And I agree with the general theme that 90% of the requests I get are not nice...they seem to be issuing commands not asking for a favor.
So now I am doomed to hiding my class.....sigh...
I was receiving so many tells for Ports, Buffs and PL'ing that I had to do it!
And I agree with the general theme that 90% of the requests I get are not nice...they seem to be issuing commands not asking for a favor.
So now I am doomed to hiding my class.....sigh...
#192
Mar 05 2005 at 6:42 AM
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Bottom line is, being a class with desirable buffs, I expect to be hit up for them. What I do not appreciate is the attitude that just because I can, I must.
EXACTLY!!!!!
This is a little different than being TOLD to buff someone but this seriously irked me last night and I feel it fits into the whole rudeness factor that were all getting at.
My Druid was MH in a farming group in HS last night. As were grinding our way up the tower I recieve a tell from someone asking me to heal them at the ZL because they are DoT'd and about to die. I politely reply that I am the group MH and were grinding up the tower so I can't leave. I then recieve a tell and I quote.
"but I'm gonna die"
WHAT!!!!! Why the f*** should I care if your gonna die. You expect me to leave my group without a healer while in the middle of a fight?
Now dont get me wrong if I was soloing in an area that I could easily get back to once leaving that would be one thing but to expect me to let my group get killed so I can come heal you is another.
Now here's the kicker. I did a /who to find out this guy was a fellow DRUID. Now being a solo class you should know that getting killed is a major risk when soloing and should even be expected on occasion. Not to mention as a druid you ALWAYS make sure you have enough mana to CH yourself.
Now I'm sure their are those of you who would say I should have went to heal him but think of it this way. If your cleric told you he was going across zone to heal someone while you were in the middle of a fight and you got killed, would he be your cleric anymore???
#193
Mar 05 2005 at 6:59 AM
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There have been plenty of times where I have been mysteriously buffed and turned around to see who it was, to find no one!
I always cast Skin like Wood or Inner Fire on anyone I see with an AS tag
Wherever I go - there I am.
#194
Mar 05 2005 at 9:55 AM
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I always cast Skin like Wood or Inner Fire on anyone I see with an AS tag 
Who are your toons?
Kyanite Truerecoil
Obsideon Vesuvius
Mawly Polaris
Aude Sapere - Morden Rasp
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
#195
Mar 05 2005 at 10:34 AM
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Who are your toons?
Your allies
Wherever I go - there I am.
#196
Dec 08 2006 at 10:41 AM
Your right, Dot. This thread does have some long legs. Good read though.
Can I get a SoW please?
Can I get a SoW please?
#197
Dec 08 2006 at 11:01 AM
Well, since you went ahead and necroposted this, might as well roll. I was getting a laugh reading through the posts, then I came across something that I actually thought was quite funny, and fitting with the current state of the boards:
Not trying to start trouble, just thought it was kinda funny to see that after all the stuff we've been reading in the other threads lately.
Anyway, as to the subject at hand: I still stand by my original thought:
Elinda wrote:
I could give lots of examples to prove Dot is not a jerk (logged on an unlogged cleric more times than I care to remember to give me rezzes, just for starters). But Dot's jerkiness is not at question here.
Not trying to start trouble, just thought it was kinda funny to see that after all the stuff we've been reading in the other threads lately.
Anyway, as to the subject at hand: I still stand by my original thought:
I wrote:
Quote:
It takes no more than a couple seconds to cast the spell. He was being a jerk. Plain as that.
That is taken out of context though. Yes, he may have sounded like an *** at that moment, to that guy, and to you if you take it as an isolated incident, but he had been dealing with that type of behavior already for an extended amount of time. You could say it was just the straw that broke the camels back. It happens to everyone. Something annoys you and you take it in stride, until finally you've had enough, regardless of if it was the same person.
He didn't say he wouldn't buff them. He asked them to hold on a minute. You know what happens if my kids keep pestering me for something after I tell them to hold on a minute? They sure as hell don't get what they wanted, I can tell you that. That's what it boils down to here in most cases I think. Most people don't mind people that act like polite, consciencious adults. If you're acting like a little whining brat, you grate on peoples nerves.
Here's my suggestion for all those people out there that HAVE to beg for SoW.... ask a ranger! I can speak from personal experience, I LOVED passing out SoW with my ranger. It made him feel wanted! I bet if you ask a ranger for SoW, he'll throw every buff on you that he can without even asking if you want them. Everybody wanted 1 or 2 buffs from him all the time, everything else the druid could do better, so when a newb asked for SoW, I was there to cast it. So, pump up those rangers egos a little, make them feel wanted, ask THEM for a SoW.
It takes no more than a couple seconds to cast the spell. He was being a jerk. Plain as that.
That is taken out of context though. Yes, he may have sounded like an *** at that moment, to that guy, and to you if you take it as an isolated incident, but he had been dealing with that type of behavior already for an extended amount of time. You could say it was just the straw that broke the camels back. It happens to everyone. Something annoys you and you take it in stride, until finally you've had enough, regardless of if it was the same person.
He didn't say he wouldn't buff them. He asked them to hold on a minute. You know what happens if my kids keep pestering me for something after I tell them to hold on a minute? They sure as hell don't get what they wanted, I can tell you that. That's what it boils down to here in most cases I think. Most people don't mind people that act like polite, consciencious adults. If you're acting like a little whining brat, you grate on peoples nerves.
Here's my suggestion for all those people out there that HAVE to beg for SoW.... ask a ranger! I can speak from personal experience, I LOVED passing out SoW with my ranger. It made him feel wanted! I bet if you ask a ranger for SoW, he'll throw every buff on you that he can without even asking if you want them. Everybody wanted 1 or 2 buffs from him all the time, everything else the druid could do better, so when a newb asked for SoW, I was there to cast it. So, pump up those rangers egos a little, make them feel wanted, ask THEM for a SoW.
#198
Dec 08 2006 at 11:05 AM
That was before someone flipped the crazy switch, Jig :)
#199
Dec 08 2006 at 11:05 AM
Jiggidyjay wrote:
Elinda wrote:
I could give lots of examples to prove Dot is not a jerk (logged on an unlogged cleric more times than I care to remember to give me rezzes, just for starters). But Dot's jerkiness is not at question here.
Lol, I was wrong.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
#200
Dec 08 2006 at 11:07 AM
Frakkor wrote:
That was before someone flipped the crazy switch, Jig :)
Either way Frak, I'm not crazy.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
#201
Dec 08 2006 at 11:20 AM
If anyone is interested and since someone else (thanks a heap bub 
) already necro'd this thread, the [random tells for buffs] situation is much better than when the original post was made. I think players (on Poven Rasp anyway) have gotten the message or else have matured a bit.
I did get a random tell from someone for a port from DL the other day though, but I was a bit busy getting to Karnors to help a guildie take out VS for his epic. They were nice enough though when I said I was unable to help them at that time.
Not sure if it is me (cause I am a jerk) but I really do not like to drop everything to port random people out of a zone I just entered...
) already necro'd this thread, the [random tells for buffs] situation is much better than when the original post was made. I think players (on Poven Rasp anyway) have gotten the message or else have matured a bit. I did get a random tell from someone for a port from DL the other day though, but I was a bit busy getting to Karnors to help a guildie take out VS for his epic. They were nice enough though when I said I was unable to help them at that time.
Not sure if it is me (cause I am a jerk) but I really do not like to drop everything to port random people out of a zone I just entered...
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