I suggest this thread gets wiped out (not sure what your policy is). OP indicates it is a calculated troll to advertise an ebay account.
At the least kill the opening post, and ban the miscreant.
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It probably will be deleted but I think it should stay. There's a genuine question in it from a newbie and if it saves us from grouping with at least one Ebay ****** it's worth the space. Maybe someone else will read it and refrain from joining the Legions of The Damned. I agree with banning Stinkser. I don't watch his ilk on the talk shows either.
Regardless of whether or not we do, the mods don't cotton to plat/account sale threads. As evidenced by their closing them down when they hear about them. If you want to advertise on Alla's, buy a banner ad.
Posted the link to the Feedback forum which is the usual place to report these things.
Posted the link to the Feedback forum which is the usual place to report these things.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I assume it's been left up because there's actually discussion on it
I assume it's left up because it went sub-default a few hours ago anyways 
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
The Op opening statement now contains only the word "no" and all of their postings are gone. Only our replies ave been left in the thread. Thank you moderators :)
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But...but the rating system was working!
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
On this I would disagree. As much as I dislike the buying and selling of accounts, plat, etc., and disagree with a lot of statements and positions stated by players, and disagree with a lot of the flaming and attacking that is done on this forum (granted all a small percentage of the actual number of postings), deleting content on a forum is still CENSORSHIP.
His position was well stated, and caused a lot of interaction and points of view to be exchanged. This is discussion, this is dialog, this is what the Internet in it's glory is meant to be.
Quote from Jophiel : " If you want to advertise on Alla's, buy a banner ad."
Censor the ****, the damaging statements to 12 year olds, but to censor for the sake of making money for Alla's, well, this sounds just like capatilism.
Sigh.
Journey far and fare well!
His position was well stated, and caused a lot of interaction and points of view to be exchanged. This is discussion, this is dialog, this is what the Internet in it's glory is meant to be.
Quote from Jophiel : " If you want to advertise on Alla's, buy a banner ad."
Censor the ****, the damaging statements to 12 year olds, but to censor for the sake of making money for Alla's, well, this sounds just like capatilism.
Sigh.
Journey far and fare well!
The final result is this.
1) The original advert (in the guise of a post) which broke the forum rules has been cleaned out. You can see the post title so folk know what was the topic.
2) All the discussion including the contribution from the OP is intact. BTW if you believe that the OP "put a good case" can I suggest you look a bit further down at his personal attack on me? However, that matters little and perhaps I need a smack on the head at times. Truth of the matter the guy lied to this community. His opening post was "My 67 shaman is for sale". Twice in later posts he admitted this was a "cheap buy" he was now flogging off to others.
3) The reason you can't see the thread is that the OP has been rated down (as any of us can elect to do). Once the rating falls below a certain level, it does not appear within the definition of the defualt posting filter. Change your settings to "never filter" or follow my link in my OP here and you'll see the whole thing in all its glory.
4) "censorship to make money for Alla" is a bit harsh. Alla is cernsoring minimalistically a liar who has broken site rules. The community is censoring by the rating process. ONE poster made the comment you object too ("buy a banner"). Don't take that too seriously.
5) someone who opens a new thread with the challenge "whats wrong with buying and selling accounts" will get a tough time here, but that thread would stand. The original thread you are concerned about was a blatant sales attempt and has received even handed treatment in the same way that all other such misuse of these boards does.
1) The original advert (in the guise of a post) which broke the forum rules has been cleaned out. You can see the post title so folk know what was the topic.
2) All the discussion including the contribution from the OP is intact. BTW if you believe that the OP "put a good case" can I suggest you look a bit further down at his personal attack on me? However, that matters little and perhaps I need a smack on the head at times. Truth of the matter the guy lied to this community. His opening post was "My 67 shaman is for sale". Twice in later posts he admitted this was a "cheap buy" he was now flogging off to others.
3) The reason you can't see the thread is that the OP has been rated down (as any of us can elect to do). Once the rating falls below a certain level, it does not appear within the definition of the defualt posting filter. Change your settings to "never filter" or follow my link in my OP here and you'll see the whole thing in all its glory.
4) "censorship to make money for Alla" is a bit harsh. Alla is cernsoring minimalistically a liar who has broken site rules. The community is censoring by the rating process. ONE poster made the comment you object too ("buy a banner"). Don't take that too seriously.
5) someone who opens a new thread with the challenge "whats wrong with buying and selling accounts" will get a tough time here, but that thread would stand. The original thread you are concerned about was a blatant sales attempt and has received even handed treatment in the same way that all other such misuse of these boards does.
I like your response good Teleos.
You state positions and make points well.
This is what I am fighting for. Open dialog. Exactly.
Sensorship of any type needs to be watched. In a privately owned forum, such as this, or on the streets of Boston, enforced by public safety officers, and shoved into the back streets.
My position is for all sides to issues to be allowed : the good, bad, crap, indifference. I will decide. I do not appreciate others limiting my options.
Granted, the guy may be a moran. And I too have been directly attacked in forum; it is not pleasant, nor necessary. Sadly the frequency seems on the rise as the education level drops across our communities.
It is not for I to begin walking on the road of turning off dialog - if I did, it would be a long list, beginning with Bush. Then the newly appointed Director of National Security, then the cabinet, then Balco drug scandle .. it would be nice for my world, but probably not for all of our good.
Journey far and fare well!
You state positions and make points well.
This is what I am fighting for. Open dialog. Exactly.
Sensorship of any type needs to be watched. In a privately owned forum, such as this, or on the streets of Boston, enforced by public safety officers, and shoved into the back streets.
My position is for all sides to issues to be allowed : the good, bad, crap, indifference. I will decide. I do not appreciate others limiting my options.
Granted, the guy may be a moran. And I too have been directly attacked in forum; it is not pleasant, nor necessary. Sadly the frequency seems on the rise as the education level drops across our communities.
It is not for I to begin walking on the road of turning off dialog - if I did, it would be a long list, beginning with Bush. Then the newly appointed Director of National Security, then the cabinet, then Balco drug scandle .. it would be nice for my world, but probably not for all of our good.
Journey far and fare well!
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Sensorship of any type needs to be watched. In a privately owned forum, such as this, or on the streets of Boston, enforced by public safety officers, and shoved into the back streets.
My position is for all sides to issues to be allowed : the good, bad, crap, indifference. I will decide. I do not appreciate others limiting my options.
advertisements in improper places are censored in many places, and there is no reason why they should not be.
it is censorship, but there is nothing wrong with it.
if you want to view char selling adverts, a quick six second google search will do the job.
Edited, Mon Feb 21 22:32:13 2005 by czaemon
This issue is addressed in the Forum FAQ.
We try to moderate as lightly as possible, but there are some types of threads that do wind up getting the axe. Among them: Account sales. I would think the reasons are fairly obvious here.
We are not interested in allowing the spamming of forums by account sellers, or dealing with outcry about people being scammed.
We try to moderate as lightly as possible, but there are some types of threads that do wind up getting the axe. Among them: Account sales. I would think the reasons are fairly obvious here.
We are not interested in allowing the spamming of forums by account sellers, or dealing with outcry about people being scammed.
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Censor the ****, the damaging statements to 12 year olds, but to censor for the sake of making money for Alla's, well, this sounds just like capatilism.
There's nothing wrong with making money. We've all got to eat and keep a roof over our heads. For that matter, he has to pay the electric bills, buy new servers and keep Railus in Fig Newtons or whatever he pays Railus in. Alla provides a good premium service and one well worth what he asks for it. For that matter, he allows the information to be viewed without charge if you don't mind the banners.
Edited, Tue Feb 22 01:47:54 2005 by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Lady Jophiel,
I appreciate your answere, and your honesty. Thank you.
I realize the 'cost' of capitalism, and the choices a business makes to give it the best chances for survival. I wish Alla's the best in this regard, as they offer a good community a great service.
With the awareness of your effect on the community, wield the pen, and the eraser, with care.
As always, Journey far and fare well!
I appreciate your answere, and your honesty. Thank you.
I realize the 'cost' of capitalism, and the choices a business makes to give it the best chances for survival. I wish Alla's the best in this regard, as they offer a good community a great service.
With the awareness of your effect on the community, wield the pen, and the eraser, with care.
As always, Journey far and fare well!
It's not solely about censorship either. The selling of EQ accounts is against the EULA of the game. By breaking that EULA, you are violating copyright laws. Could Alla's get in trouble if they allowed such advertising on their forums? Probably. {i]Will[/i] they? Probably not. But by allowing it, they would in a sense be condoning it, which would open them up to all kinds of negative implications, wether it be legal, moral or what have you.
I know there are other sites out there that deal with account selling, and they seem to "get away with it" just fine. I personally never go to those sites though, since I'm not interested. I pay for premium at this site in part to keep their types away. The biggest perk of being a premium member is getting to wipe out the sellers. Other then them, I use rate downs very very rarely.
And I think the biggest thing, for most of us at least, is the moral implications. Is it less moral to censor the ads, or to allow someone to break the law right in our faces? This probably really isn't the right place for this discussion... it probably belonds in the assylum. Just remember that "freedom of speech" isn't always as cut and dry as some people like to believe.
I know there are other sites out there that deal with account selling, and they seem to "get away with it" just fine. I personally never go to those sites though, since I'm not interested. I pay for premium at this site in part to keep their types away. The biggest perk of being a premium member is getting to wipe out the sellers. Other then them, I use rate downs very very rarely.
And I think the biggest thing, for most of us at least, is the moral implications. Is it less moral to censor the ads, or to allow someone to break the law right in our faces? This probably really isn't the right place for this discussion... it probably belonds in the assylum. Just remember that "freedom of speech" isn't always as cut and dry as some people like to believe.
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