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Yeah. We'll have to see how this is implemented, but it could cause major problems. It's not going to have any effect on resists though. Someone was worried that a resisted stun wouldn't generate any agro, but that's not the case (at least from what was written).

I think the intention is to make the spells all work more like the pacify line does. If your spell is unable to affect the mob (either because it's too high level for it, or is flagged as immune), then you immediately get a message saying that and no time or mana is spent on the spell. A resisted spell still cost you mana and still affected the target (it just resisted). That means that it will generate agro.

I think their objective was to make it so that slowing classes (just one example) don't get themselves killed dropping slows on immune mobs. They'll be able to see immediately if the mob is immune.

I think it's a horrible idea to do for *all* spells, for a number of reasons.

First off, there are a number of spells/procs that are used not for their effect themselves, but purely for agro generation. What's funny is that this change will effectively kill knight tanking in the *only* situtations in which they claim they are trying to improve. So you give us a 25% mitigation for 36 seconds every 10 minutes (clearly designed for tanking minis and bosses), but remove our agro generation ability against mobs who have various immunities (almost exclusively those same bosses). Oh. And this will randomly remove your edge tanking in a group as well... Brilliant!

It'll also trivialize many raid encounters. Don't know what that new mob is immune to? Target and cast. If the spell timer appears, just duck and interrupt the spell and mark that as one you can use on the mob. If you get the immunity message, you know not to attempt to use it during the fight. Ok. That may not trivialize them, but it'll allow even vaguely intelligent raiders to avoid a good portion of the learning curve on new mobs. Given that expansion rates are pushed by the rate at which the top guilds work through new content, I'd think this would be something SOE would definately *not* want to do.


And Czae. I think you're looking at the druid thing wrong. You're comparing what they'll be able to do to wizards and clerics. That's not the point. Compare their abilities to what druid can do *right now*. What this effectively does is in any situation in which the druid can accurately determine what role he's playing in a group, you've just increased the druids power at that role across the board by 25%. A druid can now solo 25% faster. Straight power increase. Sure. You'd still want a wizard for nuking or a cleric for healing in a group, but with a druid you have a character that can switch back and forth as the group makeup changes. How often does your group change more then once every 5 minutes? Healer leaves, druid switches to healer mode. Odds are his button is available since he's probably not changed in the last 5 minutes. It's a straight increase in the power of a druid across the board. and gives them even more utility then they had before.

Again. We'll have to see what actually makes the final cut. So far, I'm not impressed...

it is a straight power increase for some types of soloing, it may not be a bad idea to make the nuke focus not work on targetted aoes. and it doesnt work on dots presumably.

given druids current conditions, I don't see anything wrong with a 25% increase in healing/nuking in groups.

The Druid being able to change the effectiveness in a certain situation is nice I agree BUT lets seriously think about it for a minute. How many times have you relied on the druids versatility to save your butt???

On many occasions I have switched from an offensive role to a defensive role then back to offense role only to be nedded to be defensive again 15 seconds later. Using an ability that will lock us into 1 role for 5 minutes will have serious consequences.

Think of it this way. You get set up in camp so the druid clicks offensive. 1st pull: ADD. Druid now needs to be a back-up healer but guess what. He just hit offensive so his heals are only at 50% for the next 5 minutes. Kinda hard to be a back-up healer at this point.

As far as raids are concerned I agree that this would be awsome because I rarely switch roles but for every day groups I don't like it.

I'm sorry, but I think the bard Nerf with the songs limit to 4 makes the game 10x more fair to everyone. I mean I remember three times in three empty zones (which I found out why they were empty) when a twinked out bard came in and robbed me of every mob before I had a chance to stand. Where as my ench could only zone 2 mobs at once. Made me mad to see the bard get about 10 DB kills--which is about 1.5 yellow in a matter of mins.

gbaji are you with me when i saw IT'S ABOUT ****ING TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

manaburn isn't a balance issue anymore. at all.

a highend beastlord can solo bot for hours with no downtime, a highend shaman can solo gaukr/laef/hreidar. there is no class that can not solo a kunark dragon anymore.

The exception to the rule is exactly what I'm talking about.



The above is a quote from my original post.

As I said it's a decent setup but when the exception to the rule comes into play is when were gonna be hurting. What this ability does is for the most part limit us to 1 role. Although were only limited for a short time I don't like the fact of not being able to changes roles several times on the same mob.

I am in no way whining that this ability isn't good enough. I'm just trying to point out a major flaw that everyone seems to be overlooking.