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who is the beter soloerFollow

#1 Jul 29 2005 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
i was wondering who u all think is the beter soloer a beastlord or a shammy.
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#3 Jul 29 2005 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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Necro. =)
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#7 Jul 29 2005 at 1:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, at least the obligatory response has been gotten out of the way.

I don't know about beasties, but at level 32, I can gain XP as fast soloing, as I can with an *average* group. (A good group will always blow that away.) From everything I've ever heard, a Shaman can solo quite comfortably though out his career. But better? I think that's more a function of personal preference. I'd always take the shammy over the BST though. Just for the greater range of options in how to solo, expanded spell ability, and over-all greater utility.

Edited, Fri Jul 29 15:09:59 2005 by BellamDreamguard
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#8 Jul 29 2005 at 1:29 PM Rating: Decent
ok but if it came right down to it and u wanted to solo more what would u chose a sham or bestlord
#9 Jul 29 2005 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
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I solo about 80% of the time. I chose a shaman. I haven't regretted it. - But I'm only lvl 32. Check out the shaman or beastlord boards, and check out any threads about soloing.


(Although, Thor's got the right idea. Necros and Druids are pretty much considered the kings of soloing. If soloing is all you're worried about, you might want to go that route.)

Edited, Fri Jul 29 14:42:51 2005 by BellamDreamguard
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#10 Jul 29 2005 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
Shamans are the king IMHO
#11 Jul 29 2005 at 1:46 PM Rating: Decent
actually i am trying to chose between bst or shm me my dad and bro in law might end up making a grp and my dad is goin to want to go bst but if a sham is beter soloer i might be able to get him to be a sham

cus i want to be the bst in the grp cus beastlorde rock IMHO
#12 Jul 29 2005 at 2:07 PM Rating: Decent
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shaman is better at what they do best (slowing), but a bst has more dps so they could solo better. the bst has a little of everything and would probably be more fun to play if you are going to solo a lot.
#13 Jul 29 2005 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
Shaman DPS is just fine with their dots plus their proc spells plus they have better heals, buffs, and AC
#14 Jul 29 2005 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
Shaman gets more utility, great dps, crowd control, heals, buffs and most importantly the ability to fight in tight areas like soloing a dungeon.

A beastlord has no crowd control and cannot fight in tight areas and is limited to where he can fight.

#15 Jul 29 2005 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
Both a Bst and Shaman will solo just fine.

It really depends on what you want to do. Root/Rot, or get in there and Melee. I think a Shaman can probably solo bigger stuff since they dont have to get hit like a Bst to do their DPS but personally I find playing a Shaman quite boring. (but thats because I like to get in there and Mix it up.)

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Shaman gets more utility, great dps, crowd control, heals, buffs and most importantly the ability to fight in tight areas like soloing a dungeon.

A beastlord has no crowd control and cannot fight in tight areas and is limited to where he can fight.


Why cant a Bst fight in a dungeon? I do it all the time. Granted until you get the pet snare aa fighting mobs that run can be a bit tricky but it's doable. I soloed my Bst in AC from 50-55 and in GE from 55-65. Heck to this day if I want to do some mindless easy AA farming I go back to GE on occasion.
#16 Jul 29 2005 at 3:58 PM Rating: Decent
Just for clarification, barring the beastlord's pet aa snare the beastlord is going to have a more difficult time soloing in close quarters because of the lack of cc. I'm not saying that it is impossible but you will have to rely on killing the runners before they aggro another mob. The pet snare aa helps a lot but at the sacrifice of dps.

Also, when playing my shaman I fight "in the face". The only time I ever root rot is when soloing pov golems. In that case it's more mana effiecent to root rot then to constantly keep a quiescense on me.

#17 Jul 29 2005 at 4:07 PM Rating: Good
This is a fair question but is also hard to answer.

Are you going to spend a long time 1-50? You may have more fun as a beast lord, and pet comes earlier.

You taking the big picture? Probably shaman, tho shaman have "dips" in capacity along the way (mobs get harder, shaman backs off, then Q arrives and back you go).

This is very gear dependant.

Shaman, however, can solo quite effectively as others have said. Druid, however, can also solo and heals better than shaman. Necro of course has awesome solo capacity.
#18 Jul 29 2005 at 4:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Just for clarification, barring the beastlord's pet aa snare the beastlord is going to have a more difficult time soloing in close quarters because of the lack of cc. I'm not saying that it is impossible but you will have to rely on killing the runners before they aggro another mob. The pet snare aa helps a lot but at the sacrifice of dps.

Also, when playing my shaman I fight "in the face". The only time I ever root rot is when soloing pov golems. In that case it's more mana effiecent to root rot then to constantly keep a quiescense on me.


Again I have never had trouble soloing in dungeons even prior to having the pet snare. Whether it was in AC, GE, Akheva, Karnor's, Mistmore (prior to the revamp) whatever.

FYI the pet snare doesnt decrease DPS at all. It used to because it didnt stack with the reg pet proc buff but that was changed awhile ago.

Having only played a Shaman to 50 or so I cant speak to the higher end soloing Shaman but at lower lvls it seemed anyway much easier for my Bst to solo than the Shaman. (maybe it was just more fun)
#19 Jul 29 2005 at 4:31 PM Rating: Decent
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if you mean better as in faster, then see above. BUT, I levelled my ranger on Kane Bayle 80% solo, mainly due to lack of pc's below lvl60 at the time. For solo hunting, i gotta say 'tracking' is such a bonus.
i could charge around new zones with confidence, having a good idea what i would find. Sow helps with that too. Once you get panic animal, soloing is a breeze. Forage is a really useful money maker, and cammo, combined with sow AND track does mean that exploration is fun, rather than a REALLY scary experience. we get a couple o' heals too. lame ones to be sure, but after staggering thru zone lines at 1% health, i've been glad i had them.
Once I got to the mid to late 50's tho, grouping becomes a LOT more important. Until you get am/eq that is.......
depends on your definition of 'better', i s'pose.
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#20 Jul 29 2005 at 6:50 PM Rating: Good
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***** it, tell him to start a bard. He'll be able to solo just as well as any other class, he'll constantly be badgered to join groups even when he's already in a group, and it's not nearly as boring as half of the other classes out there... of course, I'm a bit biased.
#21 Jul 29 2005 at 9:53 PM Rating: Decent
Just a bit?
#22 Jul 29 2005 at 10:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I solo every freaking toon I own, except when I am grouped...(and even then sometimes)
#23 Jul 29 2005 at 10:23 PM Rating: Decent
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FYI the pet snare doesnt decrease DPS at all. It used to because it didnt stack with the reg pet proc buff but that was changed awhile ago. ]


I did not know that, been away from the game for a while.

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Having only played a Shaman to 50 or so I cant speak to the higher end soloing Shaman but at lower lvls it seemed anyway much easier for my Bst to solo than the Shaman. (maybe it was just more fun)


I found with the shaman the lower levels were more challenging to solo then other classes but in the higher levels he holds his own.

My point is that because the shaman has crowd control, (root, clicky legs, VP), he can have complete control over a situation and thus enable him to go into more sophisticated areas then the BL, (who without pet snare AA has to chase down runners which in some situations can be quite hazardous). In fact as far as the soloing aspect is concerned that is the exact reason I chose to play a shaman. You see, a druid, necro and BL make excellent soloers in some situations but somewhat gimped or useless in others while the shaman can perform well in many other situations. The only exception is the pet snare AA that the BL gets later on.

To be honest this is all just splitting hairs. Both classes are excellent soloers. Personally I never liked that the best form of crowd control the BL got was a pet proc snare AA. There were places in the game that I wanted to solo and I felt that I needed more CC then that but that's just me.



Edited, Fri Jul 29 23:28:23 2005 by Grimleaper
#24 Jul 30 2005 at 1:28 AM Rating: Good
Alright here are my reasons why a shaman is the BEST soloer in the game hands down(and by best I mean a soloer who can handle anything....not just fast EXP and kiting(erm necros here) I mean a mixture of EXP, summoning mobs, random mobs that you don't know that they do, basicaly what I mean is the all around best....



Shaman can

Slow(best in the game)
Haste(second best in the game)
Heal(3 best patch best HoT.....best pet healer since HoTs are God like pet heals)
DPS(2nd best dots slighty behind necros and possibly beats necros with Proc spell)
Pet(not the best but hey it works)
AC You are a chain class sio you have more life and AC than a necro or bst......This matters because further on in the game you yourself will tank...not your pet.....
Buffs(best melee buffs in the game)
CC(shamans can root, tank one mob with pet, and one mob by them selves plus they have amazing slows so add offtank for that...maybe even two......)

Now you might say beastlords can slow and haste almost as well......and do better DPS but they don't have the healing that a shaman has(and that includes life per mana heals) and they lack the buffs and CC a shaman has



Now I know that if you had each class at lvl 1 and told them to race to lvl 70 a necro, wizazrd and bard would win but soloing is not about EXP it is about versitility and a shaman has it all..............If you sent a necro and a shaman against a random target a shaman would fair better.....might not be as fast but your chances of living are much higher.


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#26 Jul 30 2005 at 4:02 AM Rating: Decent
Beasts have better defense and avoidance than shaman do. If you want to solo, and your father wants to play a beastlord, play a druid or necro, becuase they complement beasts the best. In a group or duo'd, Necro's and Druids bring a lot to the table.

Forgot to add, Shaman buffs and Beast buffs overlap quite a bit, same buffs, same stats. Try not to mix them in a group, too, too much.

Edited, Sat Jul 30 05:07:44 2005 by Wiestrum
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