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Based on your two choices and basing my answer on how many people tell me how much they solo with their classes, Beastlord. Shaman (Shamen?) can solo, but seem to be in groups more often than not.

Of course overall, Bards and necros can outsolo either one.

I got a couple I never seen a shaman do a) snare b) feign death c) mez d)fear e) rez...shall I continue sure your partial to your class but I havent seen a Shaman solo Vallon Zek yet, but I have seen all the evidence that a necro has, hate to be the spoiler on this and am not saying Shamans are a good class but come on really your statement was there is nothing that a Necro can do that a shaman can't do and well I think that has successfully been proven wrong. As to who can solo what the best everyone is gonna shove out their e-***** and brag about their class and I can't blame you for loving yours just be honest to yourself about your limitations as well as your advantages.

Dude do you even play this game?? A troll shaman gets a freaking like 30 second snare only if he does a quest and chooses Innorok as his diety and then only if the item is equiped. (really are we going to include equipment now in our comparisons? Lets especially include items that only one exact race/class can use too.) Trolls also take more experience to level then any other race but iksar( its the same for iksars and trolls) and start with a 5 thats right 5 resist to fire.

Ya shaman FD, never heard of this but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Thats at what level? and a hard quest you say hmmm lets see versus Divine Aura(harmshield) and FD at level 16 that turns into a hotkey if you count AA which it seems you want to do.

A good pet erm... well its better then a druid pet but really any other class that has a pet has a WAY better pet then a shaman.

The second best dots in game when compared to a necro is like comparing Shaq to any other 2nd best center in the NBA. The necros dots are really that much better.

Saying shamans have rez is a statement that counts AAs and is comparing a real rez with experience to a level what like 14 cleric spell which is all that shamans get( no experience just a port back to your body, sure go ahead loot all your gear, that wont slow down your experience gain at all).

I played a shaman to level 55 if it was just and only just the rez a necro would be better then a shaman to me. I cant even begin to count the number of times I had to beg a cleric for a rez, as a necro at this level you dont have to its you and a EE for 93% experience. For a shaman its 15 minutes to 2 hours to find a rez especially now with lower server populations. I usually had to pay for it too since until recently I couldnt just summon the bugger to the GL to begin my begging and I would usually have to pay more then the cost of an EE. Sure I had cleric friends but they seemed to know when I was playing and choose that time to not be on. So if I am experimenting on what I can or cant solo I have two versions of Divine Aura, FD, and a better speed bump pet( who can also FD if we count our AAs, member you opened the door on that) to actually live without having to rez myself and worst case I die I get a 93% immeadiate rez.

Mana regen also goes to the necro if we include all the levels 1-70 and not just your top end best case Shaman.

It seems that you wanna take the best case scenario Shaman at the highest end of the game with top gear, lots of AA and compare it to a worse case necro. Really 1-70 and through the AA the necro will win. I mean really, your best arguement boils down to at 500+ AA with Qvic plus gear a shaman can solo better then a necromancer. Erm what about the 100 days played before that? Do you really know any necromancers of the same AA equipment as the shaman you want to compare them to? How bout this one, if I start a necromancer and you start a shaman and I get to level 70 in 75% of the time as you how many AA advantage will I have? How big a difference will that 25% experience make in my ability to solo over the Shamans if we keep everything even? How much better will my gear be if I am in level 70 zones and you are still at level 60?

So to sum it up, r you the overall best is your Shamans suposed ability at 500+ AA with godly gear you think that you can outsolo a necromancer. Really is that the best you have? Is your view so narrow that you find it IMPOSSIBLE to admit that Shamans have limitations?

I play a necromancer that is probably obvious by now and I will admit that we have limitations. Until I got Jboots I was slow you could run fast at level 9,thats a limitation. I am envious of that and wish that I got sow at level 9. I cant track rangers/druids/bards can with rangers being the best at it, thats a limitation. I cant forage iksar, wood elves, rangers, bards and druids can which means I cant sell to tradeskillers rare foraged items,thats a limitation. I dont have a built in way to get pet toys mages do, thats a limitation. I cant slow (except undead) you can thats a limitation.

Really until you can be honest with yourself about things you cant do then your point is really irrelvant, no class is a GOD class otherwise no one would play anything but that class, look at Ultima Oline the grandaddy of all MMORGs how much variation was there in that game? The answer is none, everyone discovered the best combination and everyone had effectively the same character. Make you a bet I gave you what 5 things that I cant do two of which you could do. My bet is this you wont admit to any of them.

Grats on the HUGE E-*****.

As to the OP I would play a beastlord personally, they are easier to solo for more of the begining of a career then a shaman. If my partner was going to be a shaman I would play something else as the reduncy of the spell line up would be inefficent. I hope I dont come off too negative against shamans they are a woithwhile and fun class and you will enjoy your time playing one, just dont get the misconception that since you rolled a shaman your automatically the best in the game. Often in your career especially in your middle levels like 30-50 you will find that people wont even consider you a healer and will want a cleric, late in your career your primary job will be slows and back up heal. On raids unless you are the top dog shaman your job will really only be DPS and you will find you are in about the middle of the pack thru all classes at this function. Soloing sure, you can do it but most times you will find you get better experience in a group. At the very high end you maybe as has been argued be able to solo better then anyone else but will find that your downtime on this will still not be very effecient, and what is being argued is really not what you will be. Less then 1% of any class will ever be able to do the things that are being discussed. The high end guilds that are able to do these things are that far ahead of everyone else. To catch them will take a LOT of time, 100-200 days played at a minimum and even then you might not be able to join as not that many people will take the time to backflag/key you. Also on all but one server (FV) the gear that these high end guilds can no longer use cannot be traded or used by anyone else once it is looted. Just remember its a game its object is to have fun if your goal is to be able to solo everything in the game you will find no class can do that and its intentional, the gamemakers mean for it to be a multiplayer experience. So the long answer really comes down to play whatever you think you will have fun playing. A shaman and a beastlord are really not all that different in that either one is fun to play and that too is intentional by the gamemakers.


Edited, Mon Aug 1 08:20:57 2005 by flishtaco

Both are good soloers. It's the player that makes a toon a good soloer, not the class.

.....Right so first of all I would like to say that yes I have played the game(I've played both a shaman and necro to lvl 70.....)............in a couple of hours I am going to post some figures for ya'll.......it's kinda late right now so imma do it in the morining =)


basically im am going to show you that shaman are better than necros using math.........now before I do this I would like you to maybe set some limits(I was planning on compairing a lvl 70 necro to a lvl 70 shaman neither of them have access to any ancient spells(including VT spells) but can get lvl 70 spells)

Now I'm going to bed now....but I would like to leave you with this...........shaman can dot almost as well as a necro(shaman don't have stacking issues for the most part......), shaman pets while not the best are just as capable at tanking as a necro........shaman have more AC than a necro(which matters since at higher levels the toon himself will be tanking not the pet.....)....shaman have SLOW(THIS ALONE MAKES THEM THE BEST.............slow is so godlike.........i mean damn there is nothing better than slow)

Now before I even post it all I can give you the results........Necros are far better at soloing for EXP than a shaman..........hands down...........but fast exp =/= best soloer.....best soloer is the class that can cope the best with any situation..............to make it simple a common shaman could handle much harder mobs than a common necro........and BTW if you want fast EXP(well soloing isn't the way here...Wizards and bards>necros =p)

when I wake up I plan on showing you why a shaman is a better soloer....but until then good night

The only thing a shaman would/should ever have problems with is spliting/pulling............that's it...........necros on the other hand.......they have problems with things like.....oh you know summoning mobs, hard hitting mobs, mobs that aren't undead and kiteable....well um.......ya they have problems with anything thats not kiteable......

I guess you never heard of pet pulling.

i have a 70 druid and a 70 shaman... for soloing purposes i use the druid, better over all heals to self. and can root for up to 5 mins...

hoever reading the posts between a beastlord and a shaman...

it all depends on where you are going to solo some area's the beastlord pet would be better to have.

other area's shaman's slow would be better if you are going to be taking alot of damage per hit like omens zones for instance. now i do know that to 70 on both the only difference in slow is 10% which is kinda sad but also not even noticeable.

but as far as shaman's to beastlords the hp buffs are better, the stat buffs are better, the resist buffs to poison and disease are better, and the dot's are better only thing different is pets and beastlords can buff the crap out of thier pet.

so as far as i say shaman's are better..

oh yeah another thing...

beastlords=leather
shamans=chain

better ac.

First of all jiggi my brother NEVER PLed my wiz we duoed togather for awhile and then trioed but I played Elorian from 1 to 70 without PLing(Elorian was my first char I'd never even dream of PLing a first toon EVER). Yes I went through raid progression rather quickly(though not at lvl 70....way before omens) but that was because my first raid guild got to VT(which I did spend sometime in....which is why I love the zone so much....sort of like a first love...) and then it fell apart and many of VoMs(Vanguards of Morell) members had friends/bros/sisters in Circle of Legends which is what I joined and was the guild I played......I NEVER PLED ELORIAN thank you kindly.........................

Now my necro was PLed.....(well it was my friends necro but he quit so I took it) and it wasn't really PLed.....he did most of the lvling to 65 he was one of the original 4 RL friends I started playing EQ(shoot any PC game all the way back to d1 and CS....) It's true that once he stopped playing and I took over his account I played it(and when omens came out I PLed it to 70....well as much as you can PL a lvl 65.....)

The ONLY char I have ever PLed from like 40 to 63(by PL I mean I just sat back and killed stuff for it with other chars....from 1-40 I actually lvled it in groups and did stuff) was a ranger and I wasn't to found of it.....for some reason melee and me just doesn't work out.



As for the shaman it was my brothers(shimmerr) he played it up to 68(which btw he was my duoing partner so most of his EXP was with me) then left for WoW.......I played it to 70 and boxed it when I raided once it hit 70.

So ya I've played the chars(never bought a char....though I must say it has crossed my mind...a 70 bard would be fun) and no not a single one of them really PLed other than the ranger(sort of) (and I did quit but it was during omens(but we hadn't finished GoD yet we just broke tacvi when I stopped playing) and I came back like a month later........WoW jsut didn't do it for me...though I still play it....but it just isn't the same)


Anyways I'm still working on the numbers for Necro Vs Shaman.........It's actually kinda interesting(I'm doing sort of a pet vs pet dot(DPtick/DPM) Nuke Def Utility sort of thingy it's really a lot closer than I would have thought(I know necros will win in pets and damage...though not as much as you would think) but utility is comming very close......so far

THE BEST = Which class can Solo the nastiest named without dieing = Hands down, BST or Shammy, I myself will pick BL on this one, but many will say shammy's are better. High End Beasts can almost Solo WoS Mobs(Pre-DoN), I know I have pulled a few fancy feats myself, and I considered a gimp on Drinal, but High end Beasts with the new DoN gear are now more than likely able to solo a WoS named without any outside Help. Lifetap Procs With Beasts OWN! Throw in a clickie HoT of 3K and 1 Fast Clickie of 2.5K and they can defiantly beat a WoS, hell I am tempted to go try it 8)

Edited, Thu Aug 4 13:48:52 2005 by peteums

You are correct, Bell. Shaman can root rot hillgiants, where Beastlords at that level get chewed up trying to melee. Of course, I duo'd my shaman and Beastlord in Rathe until about 42. it was so much easier and profitable, although the exp was kinda weak.