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Just my here....

I have a pretty steady list of Group mates and we occasionally take randies on board, but we don't group with 2 boxers. (I know....I know) In our experience we have found that 2 boxers usually cant provide the same level of play as the single toons for obvious reasons..(I.E. Heals come late, Mez's break and aren't picked up asap....yada yada.)

So IMHO, even though you are taking 2 slots of a group with 2 toons , you aren't able to provide the same level of play.

So my vote is for one roll for loot.

(Attention 2 boxers: Please feel free to flame. but as I stated above "In my experience", you may feel that you can do the things I find issue above but we allhave an opinion.)

If the group has asked someone to 2 box - to bring a bot healer or slower - then the group is asking one person to work harder for the same results (xp, loot pharming, etc). In this situation, I'd rule that the bot gets to roll also, for without the bot, there is no group. Other stiulations could apply, such that if the group could find a replacement for the bot, that the bot immediately disbands, or other similar circumstances.

Although, I do not endorse botting without communicating that fact to the group. Few things I hate more than a bot having latent reactions.

If I was in a group with a 2-boxer, and I accepted what they were doing, they's get 2 rolls, just my opinion.



Now in a pickup group, not with guildies, this should be forgotten.

How is it greedy to want an item to sell when you are going to use the plat for an upgrade, but someone else wants the item for an upgrade directly? The greedy one is the one that tries to get the item with no roll. I will often pass on an item someone else really wants, my decision, if someone else tries to force that decision on me, it makes me mad.

Is it greedy to want a 30K item so you can tradeskill, so no one else should roll on it? Again I will often give it to the person if they were not trying to force me into it.

As a side note, I am fed up with main looting (except in LDoN's) where you lose half or more of the value of everything to a merchant. This does not count tradeskill items where you lose even more. Plus I cannot count the times I see an ML that supposedly sold everything to a merchant, selling some of those items later in bazaar. Loot example: after hours in BoT or WoS, looting 1/6 of the time, taking turns on jewels, etc., I clear at least 1K, when we have a ML, I am lucky to get 200, sometimes it's less that 100pp. You have to wonder. And yet of course you are greedy if you object to ML'ing.

I have to think the greedy are those objecting to anyone but themselves getting an item. See if you can limit the roll to yourself, that is greed, whether you "need" it or not.

First off...



YOU ARE INSANE!!! That said

I used to hate NBG, but I have grown to like it. When I played my druid (in 2000-2001(2)) we let a guy NBG a Lammy and then the next day in EC he was selling it for 10k. I was furious, but he said he was going to sell it for a better item (which is the problem with NBG) and the reason a lot hate it.

After playing my rogue for a long time and with the introduction of lore/attunable items I like NBG. If someone loots something attunable with NBG they are going to equip it, and if they say no (for whatever reason) then everyone roll. Now, I would not NBG tradeskill items, unless with guildies.



Why not ask the ML if you can buy the gems instead of selling him to the vendor. This way you can still make a small profit from them? Most the time when I have seen this complaint in a group if is from someone who does far more than their share of looting. I am sure no one in the group would have a problem with you buying the gems for the same price as the vendor and then reselling.

If you go the bazaar on my server most these gems only sell for 10-20 more pp than to a vendor. Most of us don't want to take the time or use the spece to sell these items. Now I did sell Mettalic Drake scales the other day to a vendor, because I didn't know they were rare or sold for much. Luckily I was in a guild group and they all laughed at me... Plus I asked at the beginning of the group "if you want/need something that drops let me know I don't know what is worth anything here." No one said anything until after I /split the money... we got like 2pp 8 gp for this 20k item :-(

Maybe too many pickup groups for me. One time I asked, the ML said outright, no, that's WHY she wanted to ML, because she sold the items in bazaar and made a lot more money that way. Duh!
I am very sure not every ML is doing this, or even most, some really do sell to vendor, some are poor from doing that. Some groups haven't got a clue how much they are losing, especially if they don't bazaar a whole lot.

Now if I join a group and they are ML'ing, I just decide if I want to stay, and count it as no money. Most of the time, there is no offer of an early split when someone has to leave.

And yes, I am greedy - for my fair share. Besides to me bazaaring is as much fun as fighting and tradeskilling.

Whenever I two box in a group I always count myself as one person, so I only roll once on an item. The only concession I ask for is that if my bot cleric is eligible for an item that my main is not eligible to equip, she is eligible to roll on it.

Once I was with a bunch of guildies in Skyfire and I caught a partial message in gsay "only 1 minute left, I don't think he will make it". As it turned out, a pearlescent fragment (four are required for the cleric epic) had dropped and these two clowns I was grouping with were trying to sell it to a cleric who was offering 3k for looting rights. As is turned out, the customer was too far away and it ending up rotting. That was the day I decided it was time to look for a new guild.

Edited, Mon Aug 29 19:29:26 2005 by sarongor

I three box full time.. and I could never provide the same level of attention to all three boxes.. how could I.

I do routinely play as the only slower/cc/healer in MPG, RSS and doing DoN Nest missions.. but with people I know. I hate subjecting random people to my limitations. The people that know me know what they are getting.

In a purely random group.. I roll once (but I play almost entirely in guild groups where all loot is NBG, banked, or Bazaar sold and split).

I need to equip 3 players.. I need three rolls.. but I just do not expect to get them, so I don't ask.