exploit? bug? as intended? 1.4 AA in 10 minFollow

You don't happen to own an Okra farm, do you?

I don't understand the Okra reference. I live in a city.

Oh and for those people who have been playing for years and are not 70 yet... The only reason they aren't 70 yet is because that was not their goal. If you are focused on XPing, it doesn't take long. Even without vets, double xp potions, and monster missions, there is no reason it should take years to get to 70 (unless you are playing one hour a week). Yes at one point seeing 70 was probably very hard to attain, but not anymore.

I will get to Time and beyond. If I wanted to I could be gimped in and pick up a key now, but it's just as important to me to be able to walk into any zone. So many people have left my guild because they took the easy way up.

My ideas are exhausted (did I hear a cheer?). Time to continue RL.

Really? When you get poor service on the train, do you go find a theatre full of people and complain to them?

When your food is cold for the third time in a row at a restaurant, do you keep going back and telling your friends at length every time how much the service at that place sucks and the restaurant owes you since you keep going back?

I actually like playing EQ. If I sound whiney then it is mostly because I was put on the defensive by Nohk. My original post did mention hell camps but that was not the main point. There have been a lot of assumptions. I did not do my epic at level 70. I happen to be 70 now when I talk about it. If you check, some of the hell camps I mentioned they are for the 2.0 epic. Other hell camps included the ones for spells or advancement or zone access. Even though I have only been playing 7 months, I have packed a whole lot of time into the game, and perhaps an uncommonly high amount of hell camps so my view may be a little skewed.

As for complaining to a movie audience about a restaurant... you say my analogies are flawed but correct me if I'm wrong. If EQ/SOE is the restaurant, aren't all of you eating there too?

As for your post not affecting the fix. It is more than probable. I was questioning your intent and the driving force behind it.

I was talking to someone last night about the tension between old-timers and some of the newer players. I was comparing it to RL and found some differences that I thought might contribute to this tension. In RL the older generation has viewed the younger as usurpers, but their aging makes them dependent on the younger at one point or another. The younger, whether or not they deserve it, show up to the table with a sense of entitlement. Eventually, the older's sense of mortality prompts them to impart their knowledge before they die. And eventually they do die making room for the younger. That is missing from EQ. It's not that I want the toons to now have an expiration date, and some toons do "die" because players quit or can't afford to play anymore. But not enough leave to mimick RL and relieve some of this tension. Players leave without passing on their knowledge. They may share, but there is a selfishness sometimes.

Edited, Wed Oct 26 09:52:27 2005 by vorpalswd

I never said you were complaining. I did get the quote wrong. It was
"Really? When you get poor service on the train, do you go find a theatre full of people and complain to them? "
I'm not complaining to people in the theatre about the train. I was complaining to EQ players about EQ.

We were originally discussing the easy XP gotten from MM. I mentioned how I viewed it as somewhat of a kickback for the hell camps I've been to. I didn't expect it and I didn't demand it. That's how I viewed the new easier XP. YOU jumped on that point and singled it out. Again, defending myself as far as effort and time put into the game came about because of Nokh's dismissal. I have brought up other points for discussion. If people were so eager to get off the subject of "what SOE owes me" why not post about one of the other topics I suggested or bring up your own?

No one has asked what a hell camp is so obviously you have all been to at least one. You have received bad service, but either you don't view it that way or you just accept it and keep your mouth shut. It was not my intent to go into so much detail about it.

So what shall we talk about now?

Edited, Wed Oct 26 10:39:07 2005 by vorpalswd

Edited, Wed Oct 26 10:40:15 2005 by vorpalswd

I used to drink Ovaltine as a kid. It was my favorite. Ovaltine at night before bed and Tang in the morning.

So far all the MMs that I have been on don't let you keep anything you pick up except for the Grand Prize which is No Drop. What items are you referring to?

If I could purchase my spells, I would be a happy camper. I can make a decent amount of plat by vendoring the drops from various zones. The biggest problem isn't even finding a group for RS or WoS although that is a bit hard. My computer refuses to roll anything decent. I was utterly shocked the first and only time I won a /ran.

Edited, Thu Oct 27 13:27:39 2005 by vorpalswd

Wow, is that even possible? I know some low level toons can get around 60% per mission, but as a high level toon I haven't gotten more than 10%. Using the MMs is great for getting over the hump, where no zone gets you more than 1% per 3-4 kills. But yeah, the fizzle rate will be extreme. Would it make a big difference if the toon was a melee class?

None of the camps I mentioned have anything to do with Time. Perhaps I haven't read far enough into the epic walkthrough but I don't remember seeing anything about Time.

Not skilling up is a flaw in the MMs. Even if the person was not sitting in Bazaar, nothing he does in the MM counts outside the boundaries of these instanced zones except for the xp. He could cast on or bash thousands of mobs and he would still have the same Alteration or 1HB skill he had previously. This is a good example of "What is EQ trying to teach?" Even if they cut the XP down by 2/3. You can become an expert at killing the hordes as Nagafen, but what are you going to take with you from that for your (insert random class here)? If it was just for fun, they shouldn't have tacked on XP. Maybe another point system like for LDoNs or DoNs.

There was no way SOE was going to get away with taking xp away for deaths from MMs. You can't strip the player from his equipment, skills, and race/class, give him a target no one is used to, and then take xp away when they die.

All the camps I mentioned were solo. The 2.0 does not require Time or Anguish, not for necro epic anyway. I will need help from guild but in RCoD. I think the confusion stems from the fact that I don't consider the 1.5 as an epic. I want the 2.0 and I can't get it without following the 1.5 steps. 1.5 is a speed bump.

Perhaps you are thinking of Tier 2 armor which requires Anguish.



Edited, Thu Oct 27 15:00:36 2005 by vorpalswd

well there are most likley camps that he can be doing solo for 2.0

i myself have been working on part of my 2.0 solo, need 3 sections of a signet from BF (one now), they are LB to a lvl 70. so i am able to solo "part" of my 2.0.

but yes, you will not finish your 2.0 without anguish.

on another note, alot of 1.5 was soloable, for the cleric epic anyway.

i am sure each epic has is sections that can be soloed, and 2.0 isn't much of a quest, the ones i have read are 2-3 big fights and the anguish drop. but the 1.5 is more of a "quest" maybe he is confused to what epic he is doing.

/shrug