Until recently I was a member of a lower level raiding guild. A member posted some concerns about what goes on in raids and after trying to get these items answered he was guild removed for not agreeing with the Guild or raid leader. In stead of providing him answers to his questions the guild and raid leader basically blaimed the raid force as a whole and said they were all whiners. Just wondering if this is a common problem in most peoples raids or if all raid leaders are this uncaring about their members needs. Raid leaders names and guild association have been removed to protect the innocent, here was what the raid leaders posted about his concerns:
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Ok a handful of things were brought to my attention. Some of them I don't even view as issues personally. But I said I'd pass them on for discussion, so here ya go.
1. Raids stopping and not moving for extended periods of time without an explanation from leader or officers.
- Meh not a big deal imo. If we stop to work out a tough pull or something, just tell em that. Think folks are just looking for a clearer picture sometimes.
2. People on a wall, mob pulled, assist is called, everybody naturally attacks from behind the mob and the push is insane, and raiders get yelled at for the push.- Make a separate assist key for these situations that says "surround the mob" in it somewhere? Whatever works.
3. Raids starting 45-60 minutes late after posted start time.
- IMO this one is not our fault...it's the fault of the people who diddle and doddle their way and don't make it to the raid on time to get moving. It was also suggested that we try a "30 minutes after posted time or cancel the raid" policy.
4. Assist not being called alot of the time.
- I dunno? I can't raid as much as most so I don't see this that much. XXXX learns to love his assist hotkey as much as he loves his Shift key? hehe
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These issues are crap and mostly come across more as whines then valid points. Everything i see discussed here is for the most part caused by the body that would issue the complains, the raid attendees themselves. Lets have a look at my explainations for these items of interest:
1. Raids stopping and not moving for extended periods of time without an explanation from leader or officers.
- Meh not a big deal imo. If we stop to work out a tough pull or something, just tell em that. Think folks are just looking for a clearer picture sometimes.
A: We dont have the time when the raid is halted to explain everystep. Almost every case where the raid is parked for a few minutes the officers are busy doing something, res's, strats, finalization of a pull etc.. No way am i explaining the causes every time. Once in a while we do, but this is not going to be standard opperations. It's bad enough we have to explain the same strats over and over to the same folks time and again for mobs we kill often...
2. People on a wall, mob pulled, assist is called, everybody naturally attacks from behind the mob and the push is insane, and raiders get yelled at for the push.- Make a separate assist key for these situations that says "surround the mob" in it somewhere? Whatever works.
A: Gotta toss the BS flag here. If you are melee, regardless of your pre-fight staging point, you are to suround the mob. Everytime, unless we say we need it pushed somewhere. The push is insane because those same melee are getting on the same side as each other and the pets... There own damn fault..
3. Raids starting 45-60 minutes late after posted start time.
- IMO this one is not our fault...it's the fault of the people who diddle and doddle their way and don't make it to the raid on time to get moving. It was also suggested that we try a "30 minutes after posted time or cancel the raid" policy.
A: XXXX is the raid form up time, not the raid starts killing time. If they had their asses at the designated location at the "Form up" time, we would be underway much quicker. As for the cancelling, we have never called a raid more then 45 minutes after start time. We always try to cancel them by 7:15 cst, which is roughly only 15 minutes before we realistically expect the raid to start moving.
4. Assist not being called alot of the time.
- I dunno? I can't raid as much as most so I don't see this that much. XXXX learns to love his assist hotkey as much as he loves his Shift key? hehe
A: If they would learn to wait for assist, i would not have to intentionally not call it on numerous mobs each raid to call out the toons that cant wait for assist. It's their doing, not ours. Learn to assist only when it's called, and I can call assist faster knowing i have sufficient aggro.
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I agree with what you've said
And I just want to re-iterate...these are not MY issues...I am of similar mindset to you on all of these. I was simply passing along the message because somebody was making these out to be the end of the world....hehe
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I know that lol, just wanted to give ya my takes/answers. Love em or not, thats what they are, my views on the whimpers.
Reply Re: Oh yeah
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Heh, new raid command:
/whine off
lol