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Just wondering but if a high end guild wanted to take along a melee character on a raid with a lot of dps who would they choose? What about if they wanted high caster dps? Just wondering, thanks in advance for your help.
Zerker or rog for melee
Caster Wizard or Necro
Caster Wizard or Necro
For melee: Rogue-can do a LOT of damage without stealing agro from the tank. Beserker can do a lot of damage too plus can step in as substitue if main tank goes down.
For caster: High end Necromancers have excellant dots, some that can do over 5k total damage . High end wizards have powerfull direct damage spells that I have seen crit for 6k to 8k damage with single cast.
All in all, if I was setting up raid, I would want a good balance of all class. Each class has it's strenght and it's weakness. It is the combination of everyone's strengths that out-weight any one class's weakness.
Edited, Tue Nov 29 02:17:28 2005 by gwinrayven
For caster: High end Necromancers have excellant dots, some that can do over 5k total damage . High end wizards have powerfull direct damage spells that I have seen crit for 6k to 8k damage with single cast.
All in all, if I was setting up raid, I would want a good balance of all class. Each class has it's strenght and it's weakness. It is the combination of everyone's strengths that out-weight any one class's weakness.
Edited, Tue Nov 29 02:17:28 2005 by gwinrayven
gwinrayven wrote:
High end wizards have powerfull direct damage spells that I have seen crit for 6k to 8k damage with single cast.
your way off mate. Even I do 28k crits in one cast, thoose are rare but 20k crits is common. The most high end wizards should be able to do 35-36k crits (with druid epic, ether flame and manaweave proc).
My higest DPS so far was 1987 dps with the total of 140k dmg on one raidmob.
I have also been outdamaged quite a few times by mages with there new pet.
And necros need a nerf for real..
In no way would I ever want to see a zerker MT a raid mob.
Ya 30k+ crits are fun =)
Necros and Rogues do not need a nerf wizards need to be buffed by SoE.
Ya 30k+ crits are fun =)
Necros and Rogues do not need a nerf wizards need to be buffed by SoE.
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wizards need to be buffed by SoE.
even joking about SOE pwecios casters getting a buff isnt funny.
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Beserker can do a lot of damage too plus can step in as substitue if main tank goes down.
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In no way would I ever want to see a zerker MT a raid mob.
I've seen it happen before.
You are right it is funny......SoE seems to hate us casters =/
I don't doubt that a zerker has tanked a mob b/f for a raid(I saw on assents page that have done true with a druid tank and again with a bard tank) but it is still something(especially as an over nuking wizard...=p) that I would like to be near at the time =p
I don't doubt that a zerker has tanked a mob b/f for a raid(I saw on assents page that have done true with a druid tank and again with a bard tank) but it is still something(especially as an over nuking wizard...=p) that I would like to be near at the time =p
DDP
Edited, Wed Nov 30 03:27:05 2005 by Debalic
Edited, Wed Nov 30 03:27:05 2005 by Debalic
Some necros on the necro boards have parsed sustained DPS up to and occasionally exceeding 1k on high-end raids.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
The problem with choosing necros is that while great dps, their DoTs will not stack with other necros casting the same DoT, while the multiple wizards casting DD spells can be very effective. The same is true for multiple rogues and zerkers.
At least one necro is great, in fact essential if you want to recover quick from a wipe, two necros can organize their DoTs so as to avoid stepping on each others, more than two it can be tough to do, though possible.
My Rogue Tanked a raid mob for 17 seconds once, and nimble lasts 15, =)
Edited, Wed Nov 30 08:59:16 2005 by fhrugby
At least one necro is great, in fact essential if you want to recover quick from a wipe, two necros can organize their DoTs so as to avoid stepping on each others, more than two it can be tough to do, though possible.
My Rogue Tanked a raid mob for 17 seconds once, and nimble lasts 15, =)
Edited, Wed Nov 30 08:59:16 2005 by fhrugby
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The problem with choosing necros is that while great dps, their DoTs will not stack with other necros casting the same DoT, while the multiple wizards casting DD spells can be very effective. The same is true for multiple rogues and zerkers.
At least one necro is great, in fact essential if you want to recover quick from a wipe, two necros can organize their DoTs so as to avoid stepping on each others, more than two it can be tough to do, though possible.
My Rogue Tanked a raid mob for 17 seconds once, and nimble lasts 15, =)
At least one necro is great, in fact essential if you want to recover quick from a wipe, two necros can organize their DoTs so as to avoid stepping on each others, more than two it can be tough to do, though possible.
My Rogue Tanked a raid mob for 17 seconds once, and nimble lasts 15, =)
WTF is this guy talking about lol
Yeah necros need a nerf.. Even the necros in my guild that just broke in to CoA outdps rogues and wizards, yet they have MGB buffs, rezz, snare, FD, summon corpse, pets etc.. Necros can do 15 AAs solo in PoFire easy.. They can sustain 1k dps like forever and peak at 2k dps..
Ofcourse Zerkers can MT on raids.. I have seen rangers and rogues tanking Quarm from 100% hp til death and I know bards and druids have tanked Ture in CoA all the way aswell.
Ofcourse Zerkers can MT on raids.. I have seen rangers and rogues tanking Quarm from 100% hp til death and I know bards and druids have tanked Ture in CoA all the way aswell.
fhrugby wrote:
The problem with choosing necros is that while great dps, their DoTs will not stack with other necros casting the same DoT, while the multiple wizards casting DD spells can be very effective. The same is true for multiple rogues and zerkers.
At least one necro is great, in fact essential if you want to recover quick from a wipe, two necros can organize their DoTs so as to avoid stepping on each others, more than two it can be tough to do, though possible.
At least one necro is great, in fact essential if you want to recover quick from a wipe, two necros can organize their DoTs so as to avoid stepping on each others, more than two it can be tough to do, though possible.
This is no longer the case (has not been for years) cept for one (minor) spell line. I routinely group with 3 or 4 or 5 necros all casting the same DoTs on a mob. And they all stack.
Now a mobs have a fixed number of buff slots (just like you) and detremental spells take slots (just like when mobs cast on you.. and they displace buffs). So.. sure.. on raid_mob_01 you cannot have 5 Necros and 5 Shaman all stacking every DoT they own on a mob. That is a raid DPS issue, certainly.
Edit: And they have *more* buff slots than you do.. I want to say 35? Someone smarter will surely know.
Edited, Wed Nov 30 13:39:38 2005 by Felicite
Thanks Felicite, I had no idea they had changed that. I feel a little stupid. Please ignore my prior post. lol
bring a bard to boost 5 grouped rogues' dps, haa
BumbiRagnar wrote:
Yeah necros need a nerf.. Even the necros in my guild that just broke in to CoA outdps rogues and wizards, yet they have MGB buffs, rezz, snare, FD, summon corpse, pets etc..
While necros may possibly be somewhat o'erpowered, I personally wouldn't include MGB DMF as one of the points of contention...
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
you only say that because you are a necro.
Try being a cleric, what the hell can we MGB????? True North???
Try being a cleric, what the hell can we MGB????? True North???
Amusingly enough, what with the new (Enchanter?) spell that "infects" mobs with spell effects, a necro on a raid ended up landing a high-end DoT (Dred Pyre perhaps?) on about a dozen mezzed mobs...
MGB Dread Pyre Inc!
MGB Dread Pyre Inc!
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
MentalFrog wrote:
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Beserker can do a lot of damage too plus can step in as substitue if main tank goes down.
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In no way would I ever want to see a zerker MT a raid mob.
I've seen it happen before.
I've never seen one straight up tank one (not saying it can't happen though), but we do have Reckless (think Furious, Weaponshield etc.) to help smooth the transition between tanks.
I can tank NP for a lot of exp groups though.
Oh I love zerkers as XP tanks the added DPS is too much to pass on =p
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Amusingly enough, what with the new (Enchanter?) spell that "infects" mobs with spell effects, a necro on a raid ended up landing a high-end DoT (Dred Pyre perhaps?) on about a dozen mezzed mobs...
Apparently the spread of the mezz somehow spreads other debuffs as well. Pretty cool affects though.
MentalFrog wrote:
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Amusingly enough, what with the new (Enchanter?) spell that "infects" mobs with spell effects, a necro on a raid ended up landing a high-end DoT (Dred Pyre perhaps?) on about a dozen mezzed mobs...
Apparently the spread of the mezz somehow spreads other debuffs as well. Pretty cool affects though.
Yeah, like 1Mil DPS
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
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