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There is no required lvl.

Worn doesn't stack with worn. Worn will stack with haste buffs and bard songs. There is a cap not sure what it is at the moment. (it's like 1 am and I'm tired)

I was once told that the haste % would take effect until you were within a few levels of that number, meaning that a level 1 toon would NOT see the effect of a 36% haste item.

I've never parsed this to prove it, but I assumed it was true, as the source it came from is pretty reliable.

That being said, it might be wrong, you might be able to get your answer over at the Safehouse (rogue class forum) there are a lot of haste disscusions there.

Edited, Thu Dec 22 11:02:56 2005 by Frakkor

I too remember reading years ago that there was a limit for affect (i.e. had to be 20 to get the 21% haste from FBSS.) Not sure if there was ever any fact to this or not...

the level/haste thingy is a myth.

the effect on almost all haste items used to be just displayed as "Effect: Haste," and lucy/magelo had the spell haste displayed as giving 1% haste per level.

people thought that since items had specific, different haste amounts (gleanable from parses) but used the same spell (which was displayed as giving 1% haste a level,) you had to be a specific level to use a specific amount of haste.

thus, the idea came about.

Edited, Thu Dec 22 14:04:47 2005 by Groogle

Since we are on the subject, how important is haste for a warrior? People keep saying that I'm not supposed to be doing much damage, just taking damage, but should I still try to get a good haste item at some point?

I believe that procs are based on "swings" more than hits.

Assuming (silly me) that you have some Anger procing weapons (and/or debuffing and the like), you want the most swings even if they all whiff.

Which is why two one handed procing weapons are better than even a really fast, high damage, two hander. Less procs = less Anger generated.

(Unless you are a Knight then you have spells that drip aggro and you often use a shield for the mitigation)

Someone smarter will come along and tell me I am wrong.. maybe.

proc is a set rate i thought?

so no matter if you are slowed, or hasted, a weapon/aug will proc the same?

Item Haste

Some time ago they fixed the bug that was allwoing low level toons to get the full effect of items with recomended levels.
And as I recall the recomended level was often near the % haste of the item. But it has been a long time since i look at such things. Therfore in order to get the full effect of the item you needed to be of the recomended level.


Proc Rate
It is true that there is a cap on the number of procs per a given amount of time.
The above dose not imply:

1. That the rate you proc at is equal to your possible proc rate. At lower leves a good dex buffing will have a noticable effect on how often you proc.

2. That the cap is a hard cap. It seems to be a fuction of level and it is chanagable with aa's

The impact of haste on procs

procs are random events. This means that you have an X% chance of procing each swing. therefore the more swings the more procs. Now lets say that you are able to get more sucessful procs than allowed by your current cap, then you get the procs earler in the fight and build more hate early on.

The effect of haste on generating hate.
As I remember pre lvl 40 (and it has been a few expanctions since i was concerned with lvl 40 equipment) there really are not a lot of high agro procs avalable. This means that almost all a warriors hate comes from his weapons. Now weather you believe in x amount of hate per swing or in hate being a fuction of damage done, a haste item will increasses either. Therefore a good haste item is very important for the lower level MA of the Warrior class.

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therefore the more swings the more procs
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i don't think that is correct, haste will make you swing more, but you are not going to proc more.


slowed or hasted you will proc the same. proc rate is set. however, with higher dex, you gain more chance to proc everytime it checks, up to the set amount.


or maybe i have it all wrong, but this is what i have thought ever since i got my first summond hammer.

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Can you proc your weapon without swinging it?
If not, then procs are a function of weapon swings. The theroy is of a upper limit for the number of procs, not a fixed proc rate.

Therefore, if you are not procing at your the upper limit more swings will give you more chances of procs and thus more procs. This dose not mean you can exceed the upper limit.
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that makes sense.

however, i don't "think" haste will make that much of a diference in the number of procs you have. i do admit i haven't parsed it, but when i am hasted, i don't think i proc more than unhasted, so to me, the proc rate is achivable unhasted. i haven't "parsed it" so i can't say for sure, as a cleric i have never worried about it ;-P.

None of the parses I have seen at Steel Warrior and other sites, would indicate this to be true. There are even charts set-up to indicate how many procs per minute you can expect at a given dexterity. (None of which I can find at the moment)

The only way I can see where haste would affect proc rate is if you had an incredibly low dexterity and an incredibly high delay weapon, where the opportunity to proc (a swing) doesn't happen enough in given period of time to reach your minimum proc rate.

Seriously, count the # of procs you get in a 10 minute period of time with a really good haste on and then take off the haste and have someone slow you and count the # of procs in a 10 minute period. Although 10 minutes is really too small of a time frame to get what I would consider accurate results, you should be able to see that you are pretty much procing the same amount of times in that same amount of time.