I think Everquest 1 is the best game out there. The reasons it is the best are:
1. They have the most spells out there.
2. They have the most zones
3. They have the most options to play (IE: LDoN, DoN Missions, epic quest, camping for gear, etc)
4. They have the best mobility (IE: tons of ports, Nexus, PoK books)
5. They have 6sh years of content backing them up.
I think the things that keep people away from EQ1 are:
1. The graphics are not as good as EQ2, and they are not as cartoonish and colorful as WoW.
2. The Spell effects lack compared to other games.
3. The camera angles can drive a man nuts.
4. Mob chase you forever (unlike WoW and EQ2 where they stop after a moment)
5. You lose exp rather then go into debt when you die. And thus you can lose a level. Even DAoC loses exp, but you never lose a level.
6. The lack of quest makes the only means for exp is through grinding.
7. The quest you do have very limited information to help guide you.
8. There is no real good map system. EQ2 has a great map system. As well as WoW.
9. The guild options are not as interactive as EQ2. Man I love the guild system in EQ2.
I think SONY needs to remake Everquest1. Just redo it all.
1. Remake all the zones with today’s technology. The layout of the zones are there already, just redraw them.
2. Use the map system that is close to EQ2 or WoW. Make a mini-map like WoW.
3. Create a LOT more quest. Make it more like WoW. Where you always are working on a quest. There is hardly any grinding.
4. Use the mini-map to help you locate quest turn ins. That is one of the best things about WoW. You run by a town and see a yellow dot. That Dot lets you know you have a quest turn in. Very helpful.
5. Make the quest easier to understand. You have something on, or around, the quest giver to let you know that they have a quest. And another marker to let you know that you have one already with them, but you are not done with it, or you are.
6. Recreate the Guild System to match EQ2. That would make guilds much more interactive. More then just a tag above your head.
7. CHANGE THE CAMERA OPTIONS! Who wants to hit F9 to get different angles. Just use the way EQ2 and WoW use them. You can look around with the left mouse, or move with the right. They tried to implement this before I left, but it is no where near as good as the other games.
This may seem like a lot of work, and it is. BUT, look at the big picture:
1. They do not have to create the lore, it is already there.
2. They do not have to create classes and races, they are already there.
3. They do not have to create spell list, they are already there.
4. They do not have to think of how the zones will look, or where they will locate towns. They just have to redraw it with today’s technology (which is actually going to be the biggest part of this remake I think).
5. They have everything for the game already there. They just take the concept they already have, and have it off to the graphic artist.
6. They have the cliental for EQ1, and all the old EQers. If they remade EQ1 with today’s technology, I GUATANTEE that they will get 50% of all their old players back to try it out, if not more.
I would suggest that they trash the old EQ1 once this new one has been out for a while. Give the players a change to upgrade their machines to meet the new one. But that should not be hard. The minimum for EQ1 is like a 233mhz…. NO ONE has that anymore. So why have a game that requires so little?
I would go back to it if they redid it. My brothers would (all 3, already asked em ). My best friends would, again, already asked em. We all play WoW now because the colors are more comfortable, and it is not as linear as EQ2. EQ2 is very limited on your options to go anywhere you want. EQ1 and WoW you have so many options. Start in Faydark, run to Halas and level there. I loved that. In EQ2, it is Qeynos and run to Antonica…. Then Thundering steeps…. Then….. blah blah blah.
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I think the things that keep people away from EQ1 are:
1. The graphics are not as good as EQ2, and they are not as cartoonish and colorful as WoW.
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2. The Spell effects lack compared to other games.
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3. The camera angles can drive a man nuts.
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4. Mob chase you forever (unlike WoW and EQ2 where they stop after a moment)
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5. You lose exp rather then go into debt when you die. And thus you can lose a level. Even DAoC loses exp, but you never lose a level.
- wrong
6. The lack of quest makes the only means for exp is through grinding.
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7. The quest you do have very limited information to help guide you.
- wrong
8. There is no real good map system. EQ2 has a great map system. As well as WoW.
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9. The guild options are not as interactive as EQ2. Man I love the guild system in EQ2.
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I think SONY needs to remake Everquest1. Just redo it all.
1. Remake all the zones with today’s technology. The layout of the zones are there already, just redraw them.
- wrong
2. Use the map system that is close to EQ2 or WoW. Make a mini-map like WoW.
- wrong
3. Create a LOT more quest. Make it more like WoW. Where you always are working on a quest. There is hardly any grinding.
- wrong
4. Use the mini-map to help you locate quest turn ins. That is one of the best things about WoW. You run by a town and see a yellow dot. That Dot lets you know you have a quest turn in. Very helpful.
- wrong
5. Make the quest easier to understand. You have something on, or around, the quest giver to let you know that they have a quest. And another marker to let you know that you have one already with them, but you are not done with it, or you are.
- wrong
6. Recreate the Guild System to match EQ2. That would make guilds much more interactive. More then just a tag above your head.
- wrong
7. CHANGE THE CAMERA OPTIONS! Who wants to hit F9 to get different angles. Just use the way EQ2 and WoW use them. You can look around with the left mouse, or move with the right. They tried to implement this before I left, but it is no where near as good as the other games.
- wrong
This may seem like a lot of work, and it is. BUT, look at the big picture:
1. They do not have to create the lore, it is already there.
2. They do not have to create classes and races, they are already there.
3. They do not have to create spell list, they are already there.
4. They do not have to think of how the zones will look, or where they will locate towns. They just have to redraw it with today’s technology (which is actually going to be the biggest part of this remake I think).
- wrong
5. They have everything for the game already there. They just take the concept they already have, and have it off to the graphic artist.
- wrong
6. They have the cliental for EQ1, and all the old EQers. If they remade EQ1 with today’s technology, I GUATANTEE that they will get 50% of all their old players back to try it out, if not more.
- wrong
Graphics don't make the game the gameplay and content do.
1. The graphics are not as good as EQ2, and they are not as cartoonish and colorful as WoW.
- wrong
2. The Spell effects lack compared to other games.
- wrong
3. The camera angles can drive a man nuts.
- wrong
4. Mob chase you forever (unlike WoW and EQ2 where they stop after a moment)
- wrong
5. You lose exp rather then go into debt when you die. And thus you can lose a level. Even DAoC loses exp, but you never lose a level.
- wrong
6. The lack of quest makes the only means for exp is through grinding.
- wrong
7. The quest you do have very limited information to help guide you.
- wrong
8. There is no real good map system. EQ2 has a great map system. As well as WoW.
- wrong
9. The guild options are not as interactive as EQ2. Man I love the guild system in EQ2.
- wrong
I think SONY needs to remake Everquest1. Just redo it all.
1. Remake all the zones with today’s technology. The layout of the zones are there already, just redraw them.
- wrong
2. Use the map system that is close to EQ2 or WoW. Make a mini-map like WoW.
- wrong
3. Create a LOT more quest. Make it more like WoW. Where you always are working on a quest. There is hardly any grinding.
- wrong
4. Use the mini-map to help you locate quest turn ins. That is one of the best things about WoW. You run by a town and see a yellow dot. That Dot lets you know you have a quest turn in. Very helpful.
- wrong
5. Make the quest easier to understand. You have something on, or around, the quest giver to let you know that they have a quest. And another marker to let you know that you have one already with them, but you are not done with it, or you are.
- wrong
6. Recreate the Guild System to match EQ2. That would make guilds much more interactive. More then just a tag above your head.
- wrong
7. CHANGE THE CAMERA OPTIONS! Who wants to hit F9 to get different angles. Just use the way EQ2 and WoW use them. You can look around with the left mouse, or move with the right. They tried to implement this before I left, but it is no where near as good as the other games.
- wrong
This may seem like a lot of work, and it is. BUT, look at the big picture:
1. They do not have to create the lore, it is already there.
2. They do not have to create classes and races, they are already there.
3. They do not have to create spell list, they are already there.
4. They do not have to think of how the zones will look, or where they will locate towns. They just have to redraw it with today’s technology (which is actually going to be the biggest part of this remake I think).
- wrong
5. They have everything for the game already there. They just take the concept they already have, and have it off to the graphic artist.
- wrong
6. They have the cliental for EQ1, and all the old EQers. If they remade EQ1 with today’s technology, I GUATANTEE that they will get 50% of all their old players back to try it out, if not more.
- wrong
Graphics don't make the game the gameplay and content do.
If they did that, I wouldn't be able to play on my woefully underpowered laptop 
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
So Mentalfrog, you are not absolutely sure that the changes are your cup of tea right?
i HATE WoW graphics btw, the toon models where absolutely crappy.
i HATE WoW graphics btw, the toon models where absolutely crappy.
tarv of the Seven Seas wrote:
So Mentalfrog, you are not absolutely sure that the changes are your cup of tea right?
i HATE WoW graphics btw, the toon models where absolutely crappy.
i HATE WoW graphics btw, the toon models where absolutely crappy.
Not at all. My response was more in the fact of the reasons the op claims what is keeping people away from EQ.
Just no. The reason i play EQ is for the reasons you wanted to change.
And one quick question, can you really lose a lvl through losing exp?
what happens when you do?
And one quick question, can you really lose a lvl through losing exp?
what happens when you do?
Deodhlais wrote:
Just no. The reason i play EQ is for the reasons you wanted to change.
And one quick question, can you really lose a lvl through losing exp?
what happens when you do?
And one quick question, can you really lose a lvl through losing exp?
what happens when you do?
Yes you can lose a lvl with exp loss. The things that really happens is your gear loses stats (or can't even be put back on if it's lvl rec). You also lose the ability to cast those spells. Other than that not a whole lot. That why I try to keep a xp buffer of at least 10-20% into the lvl. I don't mind dying but losing a lvl can sux with lvl 70 rec gear and some important lvl 70 spells.
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And one quick question, can you really lose a lvl through losing exp?
what happens when you do?
what happens when you do?
You do not lose an entire level, just the same percentage of experience you would at any other time. Let us say you just turned level 30 and memmed some new spells. You would be back to 29 (with only a little bit left to get to 30). You would not lose the spells, but you could not use them until you were 30 again. If you got a high rez, you might get the level back immediately.
For armor or weaps that have a required level, and you lose it, when you looted your corpse, you would not be able to equip them, until you retained the level.
I like the graphics in EQ (if they changed it would take me forever to get on EQ and dowload the game and stuff lol)... the only thing I think they need to change is character customization... they should have like a few more hairstyles... (How many Dark Elves do you see walking around with that same hairstyle with the two seperate bangs? Even my dark elves have it lol) And maybe some new faces... Everyone should be able to look at least a little more unique.
::beats the dead horse
Graphics overhauls are MASSIVE ordeals. You are talking about changing graphics engines, mapping, textures, geometry, Direct X versions, etc.
Quite frankly, I'm glad SoE had enough foresight to make the game as "upgradable" as they originally did.
When the game went to DX9, how many people besides myself were unable to play, simply because their computers would NOT handle it???
More than a few, I bet. It was slow for me to begin with, and after that, I couldn't even PLAY.
Let it go.
BTW, yes, you can lose a level by dying, and as originally stated, you cannot use pieces of equipment with required levels higher than your level, so be careful about putting that brand new aug you've been saving until you leveled onto a really nice piece of gear.
Spells are the same way - stay in book, but you cannot cast.
What happens if you JUST ding 59, and pop an AA into something you've been saving it for, and on the next pull, get knocked down to 58? You cannot activate it / it doesn't take effect???
Graphics overhauls are MASSIVE ordeals. You are talking about changing graphics engines, mapping, textures, geometry, Direct X versions, etc.
Quite frankly, I'm glad SoE had enough foresight to make the game as "upgradable" as they originally did.
When the game went to DX9, how many people besides myself were unable to play, simply because their computers would NOT handle it???
More than a few, I bet. It was slow for me to begin with, and after that, I couldn't even PLAY.
Let it go.
BTW, yes, you can lose a level by dying, and as originally stated, you cannot use pieces of equipment with required levels higher than your level, so be careful about putting that brand new aug you've been saving until you leveled onto a really nice piece of gear.
Spells are the same way - stay in book, but you cannot cast.
What happens if you JUST ding 59, and pop an AA into something you've been saving it for, and on the next pull, get knocked down to 58? You cannot activate it / it doesn't take effect???
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Wow, if you are all having issue with running EQ1, then maybe they should keep both EQ1 and the New Graphically enhanced EQ1. It can be EEQ (enhanced EQ).
This way the game can still be played by those with 16mb video cards, 233mhz processors, etc. And those with nicer computers can play the new one.
And yes, I agree, it is a "MASSIVE" overhaul. But A HELL OF A LOT LESS then coming out with a new game. All this is, is a new graphical engine. Not the lore, spells, etc. That is all created. So think of it as a new game. Hell, call it EQ1.5 instead. So you can play EQ1, EQ1.5, and/or EQ2.
Then those that want to keep playing the version you are used to can. And those that want to try the newer skin of EQ1 can. And those that do not mind the linear life of EQ2 can.
This way the game can still be played by those with 16mb video cards, 233mhz processors, etc. And those with nicer computers can play the new one.
And yes, I agree, it is a "MASSIVE" overhaul. But A HELL OF A LOT LESS then coming out with a new game. All this is, is a new graphical engine. Not the lore, spells, etc. That is all created. So think of it as a new game. Hell, call it EQ1.5 instead. So you can play EQ1, EQ1.5, and/or EQ2.
Then those that want to keep playing the version you are used to can. And those that want to try the newer skin of EQ1 can. And those that do not mind the linear life of EQ2 can.
Just No already.
My own computer won't run EQ <.<; I think it's sad that I have to upgrade my video card (Geforce 4 MX4000) for a 7 year old game XD I went to play the demo and when I finally got it all logged in and everything, the environment keeps disappearing and there's graphical glitches abound...All because my video card apparently doesn't support pixel shaders XD
...I did, however, poke around the menus and run around the mines abit with my dwarven berserker.I didn't attack/talk to anything, but the game looks really complex already and I've barely dipped my foot in.Once I get myself a job and stuffs I'm definitely picking up Titanium to save for a later date when I tire of FFXI/feel like playing.Oh, and a new video card so I can run FFXI faster and tide myself over on EQ with the demo XD
...I did, however, poke around the menus and run around the mines abit with my dwarven berserker.I didn't attack/talk to anything, but the game looks really complex already and I've barely dipped my foot in.Once I get myself a job and stuffs I'm definitely picking up Titanium to save for a later date when I tire of FFXI/feel like playing.Oh, and a new video card so I can run FFXI faster and tide myself over on EQ with the demo XD
Everyone complains about the graphics in EQ1 - but if you look at the newer expansions and redone zones it's really not that bad. There is alot of neat design features and detail in EQ1.
Sure there is room for improvement. But, I don't play a game because of it's pretty graphics. I play for the entertainment value. And EQ1 has been more enjoyable and kept me better entertained than EQ2, WOW, FFX, and Star Wars Galaxies put together!
Sure there is room for improvement. But, I don't play a game because of it's pretty graphics. I play for the entertainment value. And EQ1 has been more enjoyable and kept me better entertained than EQ2, WOW, FFX, and Star Wars Galaxies put together!
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6. The lack of quest makes the only means for exp is through grinding.
Has to be the most insane thing I have ever heard. EQ Has more quests than you could ever be able to do. And the maps and info on quests is easy to find.
I think you are forgeting (as many do) this is a game of "Adventure" not of instant gratification.
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I have not played in a while, since EQ2 came out, so there may be more quest added since then. But you can go to OT and see people just fighting. Wouldn't it be nice if that whole group was fighting for something other than exp, and the occasional berserker whip?
Look, when will people realize that EQ is what it is....
Play it or don't.....just stop yer ********
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I bet all you that still play EQ1, have 233mhz computers with 16mb video cards, are 18 years old or less, and if you work, have jobs that make less then $7 an hour. So I guess I should not try and associate myself with you people anyways.
Good Riddance
Edited, Fri Jan 20 12:08:08 2006 by RBro
Edited, Fri Jan 20 12:08:08 2006 by RBro
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I bet all you that still play EQ1, have 233mhz computers with 16mb video cards, are 18 years old or less, and if you work, have jobs that make less then $7 an hour. So I guess I should not try and associate myself with you people anyways.
I have P4 3.2 with 128mb card.
I am 30 years old.
I am a Leading Hand in the Royal Navy earning $47500(£27,000) per annum before tax.
I wouldn't want to associate with an idiot who stereotypes that badly so we will both be content if you stayed on the EQ2 forums in the future.
guess that your stereotypes are as accurate as your game ideas.
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I bet all you that still play EQ1, have 233mhz computers with 16mb video cards, are 18 years old or less, and if you work, have jobs that make less then $7 an hour. So I guess I should not try and associate myself with you people anyways.
3700+ AMD
2 Gig DDR Ram
2 Dual PCI-x Nvidia GeForce 6800 256 cards.
I'm a graphic artist that works for a medical softare company. My machine at work has a Quadro FX 2000 card and runs on 3 monitors.
So you can kiss my funky white *** WoW fanboi.
I'd more readily accept the stereotypical 18 year old as yourself, Sayzx. Seeing that most 18 year olds are mostly concerned about the graphics in a game and not the gameplay because they've only been playing since games were 'cool'... (Read: PS1) I'd say you fit the bill quite nicely. Now, I admit, I've not played EQ yet due to the aforementioned video card problems (There's a difference between ****** graphics and graphics that aren't working, BTW) but I've poked around the UI a bit, and it looks to be quite an involving and complex game, if not a fun one.Yea, the graphics look a tad dated, but they look nice in their own way.
The idea is that OP may have been getting at is Quest XP is solid in EQ2 where as in EQ1 XP for a quest????
Both are there own concepts.
In the fantasy realm sure a quest should bring power and respect but sometimes you could get nothing at all.
The prize is the reward in EQ1. The XP is a bonus in EQ2.
Different game different concepts.
Both are there own concepts.
In the fantasy realm sure a quest should bring power and respect but sometimes you could get nothing at all.
The prize is the reward in EQ1. The XP is a bonus in EQ2.
Different game different concepts.
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Actually I did not believe you were all 18 years old with crappy jobs. But was interested in who still play EQ1. I figured by stereotyping everyone I would get faster responses. =) Sorry to have offended everyone in my quest for knowledge.
I infact was planning on playing EQ1 again tonight. Yes, I still have an account. I love the game. But after going to the other games I get accustom to the new UIs and kinda wish that EQ1 was as easy to use.
The game in itself is WONDERFUL! I remember the times I ran from Kelethin (forgot the High Elf city's name) to Halas as a level 4 High Elf Mage to sell those light stones I could summon. The adventure of running through the Karanas was enough to make anyones stomach sink. I thought I was the coolest guy when I reached level 7! So I understand how you all feel about not wanting to change the game. I hated PoK because I felt it gave Druids and Wizards the shaft. I felt like you had to EARN your right to be in Halas as an Elf.
So I can see your side, as well as mine.
I infact was planning on playing EQ1 again tonight. Yes, I still have an account. I love the game. But after going to the other games I get accustom to the new UIs and kinda wish that EQ1 was as easy to use.
The game in itself is WONDERFUL! I remember the times I ran from Kelethin (forgot the High Elf city's name) to Halas as a level 4 High Elf Mage to sell those light stones I could summon. The adventure of running through the Karanas was enough to make anyones stomach sink. I thought I was the coolest guy when I reached level 7! So I understand how you all feel about not wanting to change the game. I hated PoK because I felt it gave Druids and Wizards the shaft. I felt like you had to EARN your right to be in Halas as an Elf.
So I can see your side, as well as mine.
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I get accustom to the new UIs and kinda wish that EQ1 was as easy to use.
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Sayzx wrote:
I bet all you that still play EQ1, have 233mhz computers with 16mb video cards...
Sayzx wrote:
...are 18 years old or less...
Sayzx wrote:
...and if you work, have jobs that make less then $7 an hour.
Sayzx wrote:
So I guess I should not try and associate myself with you people anyways.
Edit: Ah, yes, concerning your idea: No. I like EQ as it is. If I wanted to play a game like WoW or EQ2, I would subscribe to WoW or EQ2. Which I won't.
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