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I'd be more in favor of a graphics overhaul if not for the fact that SOE has proven themselves incapable of making a decent graphics engine for EQ. I've played FFXI and CoH and both ran much more smoothly on my system than EQ does.
However, WoW PC models look like cartoons and the EQ2 PC models just look like ***. I'd rather look at the old EQ models than those fake looking plasticine Barbies.
However, WoW PC models look like cartoons and the EQ2 PC models just look like ***. I'd rather look at the old EQ models than those fake looking plasticine Barbies.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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I'd be more in favor of a graphics overhaul if not for the fact that SOE has proven themselves incapable of making a decent graphics engine for EQ.
I feel the need to remind everyone that the last time SOE did a graphics overhaul was with the release of Luclin, and that resulted in several months of serious downtime and patches to fix the patches! An experience I do not look forward to reliving.
Yes, Luclin was God awful. As was the DX9 change-over.
Which only reinforces my notion that SOE sucks at graphics upgrades.. heh
Which only reinforces my notion that SOE sucks at graphics upgrades.. heh
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I love everything about eq the way it is. the only change I would want is for things to load faster. It takes at least 10 mins from when I click on the eq icon till when I am in the world. It takes me 3 or 4 min to zone so if I accidently zone, or went to the wrong book, i have to come back again and it really adds up. This is the one thing I enjoyed in wow over eq. wow is ready to play in about 1 min.
on the note of the eq graphics engine, it does seem hideously inefficient compared to other games... infact i am pretty sure they could improve the graphics and performance in one great big double whammy, but the bugs from previous graphics updates in the past (like when they change direct x version, etc) are just annoying, plus if i had it my way, i would love to return to velious era graphics, cos they ran smoothe, and you get lots of cool looking armor!
Sayzx wrote:
I bet all you that still play EQ1, have 233mhz computers with 16mb video cards...
P4 3.0gHz (800mHz FSB)
2 gigs Dual Inline DDR @3200
ATI Radeon 9800 XT (256mb DDR@333)
2 120GB SATA @ 10,000RPM
GigE
Routed DSL @384kb, (Dual T1 allowance if I VPN to my company, but they get mad when I do that)
Sayzx wrote:
...are 18 years old or less...
I'm 25.
Sayzx wrote:
...and if you work, have jobs that make less then $7 an hour.
A+ Certified On-Call Computer Systems Administrator (3 classes from my MCSE)
I make 48K salary, plus serious bonuses for being on-call, and traveling.
Sayzx wrote:
So I guess I should not try and associate myself with you people anyways.
Cool. Go away, and leave EQ as it is.
EDITED because I hate sloppy formatting.
Edited, Tue Jan 24 15:24:36 2006 by Thoryndar
I bet all you that still play EQ1, have 233mhz computers with 16mb video cards...
P4 3.0gHz (800mHz FSB)
2 gigs Dual Inline DDR @3200
ATI Radeon 9800 XT (256mb DDR@333)
2 120GB SATA @ 10,000RPM
GigE
Routed DSL @384kb, (Dual T1 allowance if I VPN to my company, but they get mad when I do that)
Sayzx wrote:
...are 18 years old or less...
I'm 25.
Sayzx wrote:
...and if you work, have jobs that make less then $7 an hour.
A+ Certified On-Call Computer Systems Administrator (3 classes from my MCSE)
I make 48K salary, plus serious bonuses for being on-call, and traveling.
Sayzx wrote:
So I guess I should not try and associate myself with you people anyways.
Cool. Go away, and leave EQ as it is.
EDITED because I hate sloppy formatting.
Edited, Tue Jan 24 15:24:36 2006 by Thoryndar
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Remake Everquest 1 with todays technology.
They did. It is called Everquest 2.
After 16 years, I'm not listing every friggin character.
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They did. It is called Everquest 2.
No don't confuse Everquest with "Evercrap 2" They never will make a remake but I hope Vanguard is close to what Old EQ was. Orginal progs and writers I heard worked on the game. So it it's true I'll be kissing my EQ game one long kiss goodnight and say hello to old freedom and meaning in my life...god I need a girlfriend, job, and some real friends..
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I won't comment on the ideas. But to implement all that, to totally revamp and change zones, new character models and so forth. This would take years for them to do.
I remember reading somewhere, where it was suggested that they make new character models, and a Dev responded that alone would take them years to do. Mainly because, you have to think of all the animations that are associated with you character. Frame by frame they have to create those animations, lots of man hours. Now perhaps since then, they have better code, or other programs that can allow them to do that faster.
But in all honesty, it's not something that is going to ever happen. You'll get new expansions with newer type graphics, but thats it, and a occasional revamp of an old world zone which seems to be the on-going theme.
I remember reading somewhere, where it was suggested that they make new character models, and a Dev responded that alone would take them years to do. Mainly because, you have to think of all the animations that are associated with you character. Frame by frame they have to create those animations, lots of man hours. Now perhaps since then, they have better code, or other programs that can allow them to do that faster.
But in all honesty, it's not something that is going to ever happen. You'll get new expansions with newer type graphics, but thats it, and a occasional revamp of an old world zone which seems to be the on-going theme.
WoW graphics are like a console game. It is somewhat like being immersed in Roger Rabbit. This is not necessarily a bad thing, just different.
Old Kobold models (boxy and simple) were way meaner and so much better looking than the improved hairball. My point being that graphic upgrades are not always good.
EQ has a ton of content. Much of it is not worth doing. The quest reward for effort is out of whack because old quests have not been updated (for the most part) to have a current step that makes the reward good. Many quests gave excellent xp but were nerfed because of people repeatedly doing them by farming with higher alts. Look up most of the Rivervale newb quest turn ins if you don't know what I mean.
But, the number of people playing the low content does not justify a massive rehaul of that content. So it is a catch 22.
I do like several of the mechanics of WoW. A game that is 5 (6, 7?) years newer in development better have something impressive about it. I like the map but miss the ability to label places. I still hit backspace all the time (dabbling in WoW).
The adults I enjoyed playing EQ with all moved to WoW. In general the population of WoW is flooded with annoying punks giving teenage gamers a bad name. The ignore feature works well in many games :D
In summary, play what you get enjoyment playing. Try games till you find one you do and leave the games that don't suit you to the people that do like them.
Old Kobold models (boxy and simple) were way meaner and so much better looking than the improved hairball. My point being that graphic upgrades are not always good.
EQ has a ton of content. Much of it is not worth doing. The quest reward for effort is out of whack because old quests have not been updated (for the most part) to have a current step that makes the reward good. Many quests gave excellent xp but were nerfed because of people repeatedly doing them by farming with higher alts. Look up most of the Rivervale newb quest turn ins if you don't know what I mean.
But, the number of people playing the low content does not justify a massive rehaul of that content. So it is a catch 22.
I do like several of the mechanics of WoW. A game that is 5 (6, 7?) years newer in development better have something impressive about it. I like the map but miss the ability to label places. I still hit backspace all the time (dabbling in WoW).
The adults I enjoyed playing EQ with all moved to WoW. In general the population of WoW is flooded with annoying punks giving teenage gamers a bad name. The ignore feature works well in many games :D
In summary, play what you get enjoyment playing. Try games till you find one you do and leave the games that don't suit you to the people that do like them.
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No don't confuse Everquest with "Evercrap 2"
In Everquest you can:
Choose a race
Choose a class
Solo
Group
Level Up
Tradeskill
Collect Items
Kill NPCs
Do Quests
Raid
In Everquest 2 you can:
Choose a race
Choose a class
Solo
Group
Level Up
Tradeskill
Collect Items
Kill NPCs
Do Quests
Raid
The level up "ding" sound is exactly the same in both games.
After 16 years, I'm not listing every friggin character.
Reyla wrote:
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No don't confuse Everquest with "Evercrap 2"
In Everquest you can:
Choose a race
Choose a class
Solo
Group
Level Up
Tradeskill
Collect Items
Kill NPCs
Do Quests
Raid
In Everquest 2 you can:
Choose a race
Choose a class
Solo
Group
Level Up
Tradeskill
Collect Items
Kill NPCs
Do Quests
Raid
The level up "ding" sound is exactly the same in both games.
Same goes for all the other MMOs. It's not the same game in spite of both containing the Everquest name and lore. Give it up.
EQ2 had nothing like the play quality of EQ or WoW, in fact i would put both DAoC and AO well ahead of EQ2 in terms of playablity.
I seriously want to know how many times a given question can be asked on a single forum.
This is seriously a dead horse by now.
EQ and EQ2 are not the same game. Neither is EQ2 and WoW.
This is seriously a dead horse by now.
EQ and EQ2 are not the same game. Neither is EQ2 and WoW.
Yay! I found the dead horse smiley, finally!
I was looking for that 
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In Everquest you can:
Choose a race
Choose a class
Solo
Group
Level Up
Tradeskill
Collect Items
Kill NPCs
Do Quests
Raid
Choose a race
Choose a class
Solo
Group
Level Up
Tradeskill
Collect Items
Kill NPCs
Do Quests
Raid
In Everquest 2 you can:
Choose a race yes although it doesn't mean much with only two places to start
Choose a class Pretty much oblivious to the lore
Solo ROFL. Only if you want to miss most quests and dungeons with their required group numbers
Group In the same dysfunctional way as WoW for a quest objective then kthxbye
Level Up By grinding in the smallest most boring world yet launched in an MMO
Tradeskill Only if you are a ********* AND have friends who are also masochists
Collect Items Gee lets fill my bankspace. (actually decorating a room was cool but rather shallow)
Kill NPCs But only how SoE wants you to. If those five mobs are a "group" then no amount of clever pulling will ever make them come singly
Do Quests Some good, some excruciatingly bad and most requiring groups
Raid But only exactly how SoE wants you to. If that mob is marked as 2 group then you can't attack it with any more or succeed with many less. Encounters are so "finely tuned" as to be linear.
Sorry if that sounds a bit sour but I didn't like the way EQ2 was managed from a gameplay angle. It seemed like they took all the perceived evils of EQ and prevented them by destroying the gameplay. The graphics were dull and unimaginative. Photorealism is not a good thing in itself - you have to have decent art to go with it.
Wherever I go - there I am.
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Yay! I found the dead horse smiley, finally!
I just love the irony of calling a beating a dead horse graphic a smiley.
Makes me all smiley. That's my
for today.Cobra101 wrote:
Sorry if that sounds a bit sour but I didn't like the way EQ2 was managed from a gameplay angle. It seemed like they took all the perceived evils of EQ and prevented them by destroying the gameplay. The graphics were dull and unimaginative. Photorealism is not a good thing in itself - you have to have decent art to go with it.
As my girlfriend plays EQ2, I can vouch that this is mostly accurate. They took any kind of player guesswork and strategy out of encounters - there's little for the players to actually learn about. Mob levels and difficulty are more specifically detailed, and they even show which mobs are aggro-linked!
She goes on and on about how much better EQ2 is, but the only thing it has to offer over EQ is that it's newer and the graphics are prettier. Perfect for the superficial twits who have to have the best and latest of everything, regardless of actual depth or content.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
eq2 and wow seem incredibly similar except for the graphics. It almost seems like they were designed by the same people. The zone designs are similar, the way the mobs behave (cant be split or pulled), the low downtime (not fighting regen is really high), the classes, the way kos mobs and their friends are marked. I only played each to around the 30s so it my different in the endgame.
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Sorry if that sounds a bit sour but I didn't like the way EQ2 was managed from a gameplay angle. It seemed like they took all the perceived evils of EQ and prevented them by destroying the gameplay. The graphics were dull and unimaginative. Photorealism is not a good thing in itself - you have to have decent art to go with it.
that is exactly my feelings. the workarounds tha players find were the fun of eq. like charming a mob if you have bad faction for a turn in. Its kind of cheating but it is fun that you can use the mechanics for things they didnt intend. Like fear kiting or using FD to pull or prevent runners. Some are exploits like fearing a mob into a wall but it makes the world feel more real that these things are possible.
WOW feels like you are grinding along on a treadmill even if it goes faster than EQ.
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Hmm $7 an hour? Rotflmao I dont even open an eye for that sort of money let alone get out of bed. LOL
Goodie you go back to EQ2, Wow, or Disneyland we in EQ1 are quite ok without people who keep wanting to change it. If we wanted Wow, DoaC, Eq2 or pinky-rides-the-pink-pony game we would go there
Edited, Thu Feb 2 20:21:55 2006 by Maktub
/cheer bbot
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Sayzx wrote: ...and if you work, have jobs that make less then $7 an hour.
Hmm $7 an hour? Rotflmao I dont even open an eye for that sort of money let alone get out of bed. LOL
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Sayzx wrote: So I guess I should not try and associate myself with you people anyways.
Goodie you go back to EQ2, Wow, or Disneyland we in EQ1 are quite ok without people who keep wanting to change it. If we wanted Wow, DoaC, Eq2 or pinky-rides-the-pink-pony game we would go there
Edited, Thu Feb 2 20:21:55 2006 by Maktub
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