Taking the servers down for a roll back?!?!Follow

You guys are so stupid its not even fun.
Was it fair that some people that havent been online in a week got rolled back?
Was it fair that people who bought a few invis pots in baz w/o knowing anything about the misstake SOE made got rolled back?
Was it fair that people who was online but didnt trade anything with anyone got rolled back all the way to previous saturday loosing 30 AAs and lots of loot and some even lost raidgear?
Was it fair that some people logged on without any items at all without knowing anything about the misstake SOE had made?
Is it fair that entire account was rolled back so people who had made servertransfers now find that their char is not to be found on any server and GMs says "there has never been a char like that on that server".....
Noone I know havent been rolled back and only a handfull traded with vendors in pok or with anyone else.

SoE fecked up bad and they need to reimburse us.

Im not quitting no. But you disgusting little fanbois need to stuf just because you where lucky. Yes LUCKY. I bet you wouldnt be so cocky if it was you who lost ALL your gear, a few levels, a few AAs, all your PP etc...

Good job soe fixing a misstake with an even bigger misstake.

people who have not been online all week will not be rolled back and those that say they have are probably lying

If nothing else for shear stupidity of buying them off obviously "not supposed to be there" vendors, yes.

It's not rocket science, the Vendors where selling stuff that it was obvious was not for general usage, drop only items or end near end combines no player would sell.

No but thats why SoE asked those people to /petition and they will get everything back. Though i question those who will have got 30AA in the time period conserned will be bothered since if it's that easy for them they will have max AA already and it would be easy to recover. Probably never happened, see the first point.

SoE will have followed the coded numbers for the items sold and rolled back any charicter with those items on them or that had them on them. If you wher not online you would not have been touched.

Definately not going to happen since SoE will have financial records showing the trancfer, this is a ******** question.

Only 2 of my guildies HAVE been rolled back, both bought items of the vendor, both knew the risk, both have petitioned to get missing bank items back.

Cheating exploiters fecked it up for alot of people and SoE have no reason to reimburse people who cheat. I had the same oppurtunity as EVERYONE ELSE to buy of the OBVIOUSLY SUSPICIOUS vendors and didn't because i am not greedy or after a short cut.

the only people who i feel sorry for are those caught in the aftermath and they will be sorted out in time.

Unfortunately, tarv, you are a bit off on this...

Yes, it is the secondary fault of the people who knowingly bought these items from the traders. (Primary fault lies in poor version control, promotion control by SoE, but that's another story). However, with the way it was handled, it ended up affecting *way* more than just those people who took advantage of things.

The "taint" of the items spread through like a virus. If person A bought something, they were tainted. If they then sold something (anything, not just the bad items) to B and C, those 2 were now tainted. If B and C each traded with 2 other people (just opening trade was causing transmission, even on summoned stuff), then A, B, C, D, E, F, G were all now tainted.

The biggest issue arises from the fact that many (and probably most of the ones affected) had 0 contact with the misplaced NPCs and had no reason to believe that anything they were doing would be flagged as wrong.

(I myself purchased 3 normal, standard, everyday potions from the bazaar, and sold 3 items to random people, and managed to get rolled back).

The outbreak has caused roughly 3 days of lost play for a vast majority of players, not just ones that were rolled back, but for those who did not know if they were affected. It could have been handled much much better.

They claim that shutting down the servers for a rollback would have caused more downtime, however, seeing it in hindsight, when has an offline rollback ever taken 2 1/2 days? Even using 5 hrs of full downtime would have caused many less headaches than we have today. (5hrs is a high guess from me, I would assume it would take less time than that, since they'd only have to roll back the toons logged in for the 1-2hrs post-patch, pre-PoK reload)

They have also stated that there will be *no* reimbursement of Items, Exp, Flags, or anything lost during this time, with the exception of *possible* epic items. So, even if you are 100 times removed from the source, and you got rolled back, it's TFB for you.

So yep, it sucks. I'm not nearly as emotional on this as others are, but I can still see their point. At least for me, the issue isn't so much "There were rollbacks!" It's more of a "They completely flubbed up the fix for this, and thus wasted several days of play for perfectly legitimate players." It could have been handled much better.

As for transmission. There are rumors (I cannot validate since I did not personally do this) that augmentation sealers were also passing the taint. If someone flagged used it, then you did, you would have gotten flagged for the rollback.

There are also people who have characters stuck in limbo right now. Server transfers that occured on that day do not have toons on either the source or the destination server. People who were invited to guilds then rolled back are locked out of guildinvites (one system saying they're in it, another saying they aren't). People have corpses that have disappeared on them due to the rollback. Of course, these 3 issues are the primary ones that they stated they will fix, but it's still lost playtime for the players. Lost playtime that could have been easily prevented if SoE had taken a proper course and not tried something so flawed.

In the end, it's over. /petition if you feel you were wronged, but don't be surprised if nothing's done. Just hope that next time this happens they'll have the backlash from this in mind and will do it a bit better.

(edit)
Also, the first point, there are claims of people who were not logged in since before the patch, getting rolled back further beyond the patch. Again, I have no personal experience with this so it's just rumors/reports, but there's usually some truth inside these.

Edited, Fri Jan 20 14:15:29 2006 by cafeenoftheazurestorm

Tarv,
For the most part you are right. But I'm not sure that you understand others points. The main point (in my case) is that I had no idea that these NPCs were not legit. How could SoE come back from a patch and not realize that there are 20 merchants in the heaviest populated zone, most traveled zone that are selling uber stuff. If you ask me, I say SoE made a mistake and should have left well enough alone and not try to fix it.
As I said earlier I didn't get effected, but I understand some of the gripes (to some degree) of others.

WOW, someone needs anger management classes.
Not trying to make light of your situation, but I think you took someones statements a little too personal.

Edited, Fri Jan 20 14:21:55 2006 by RBro

tarv, shut the **** up unless you know what you're talking about.

sony has publicly stated that there will be no item reimbursal for people who did not benefit off of the merchants items in any way shape or form.

my guild on FV has had 60+ members rolled back, very few of which were even on during the merchant fiasco.

tarv u clueless mf.
No they wont.. read producer letter. They will reimburce epic pieces and thats about it.

Now go stfu pls. Dont cause more drama by defending SoE when they screwed up bad.

I hear we will get double xp this weekend tho as a bandaid.. better then nothing. Cya in pofire!

and - when I'm staring at a petition response on my mule rejecting reimbursement, it isnt third hand.

every petition (30+ people) in my guild has been denied with copy and paste answers.


are you retarded? there are plenty of places you can get three significant flags that quickly, assuming you don't wipe also.. IT WASNT A SIX HOUR ROLLBACK. My mule was rolled back four days. guildie was rolled back seven. reports on the FV boards and eqlive.com have up to 9+ days being rolled back.

oh, and all of that from people who didnt actually do anything wrong...

Not to mention quite a few got rolled back close to a week (to saturday to be specific).

Tarv, before you say anything more stupid I suggest u go read the official forums and talk some to you friends online.

(also I never said a week+. I said last saturday)

Tarv, if I saw new vendors in PoK I'd check them out. I'd buy stuff too, because I would assume that something new right after a patch is supposed to be there.

This wasn't a situation where people did something obviously wrong like dupe items. They saw a vendor, and bought things from it.

I will be very upset if I was rolled back, as I have not played since Monday. I guess I'll find out tomorrow.

No one is mentioning the worst part about this whole mess.


SOE created an ideal situation for the truly criminal to profit from what was originally a big mistake.

One of the other boards had a thread that took a bit of puzzling out (the terminology and ideas werent normal everyday eq sort of stuff).

Basically, plat sellers and farmers could double their pp and items because soe expalined exactly how to make sure that a character would be rolled back.

Player A logs in and bags all of his expensive items he was selling in the bazaar, proceeds to spend his millions of pp buying all the other expensive items he can....AON, gold ticket BOC etc etc.

Player A also buys some tainted goods so he will be rolled back.

Player A then goes to POK and launders the bags...I am uncertain from the brief bit in the thread if they were using a forge, were selling the items to regular merchants or just dropping the bags onto the ground.

Player A's mule is following along behind, he picks up the bags/ buys the items cheaply from merchants...whatever the mechanism these cheats know.

Player A then goes and buys more tainted items to make certain of roll back. Mule does nothing in any way to draw a roll back.

Player A then goes and fills up log a bit doing various things. Player A then gets rolled back to find millions of pp in his bank.

Mule also now has millions of pp worth of new goodies, because he had NO CONTACT witrh A. They werent rolling back the goods, some of the tainted goods are still on in game merchants now, they were tracing roll backs by player interactions.



I am praying that there is some mechanism that SOE has that they can check people for sudden influxes of valuable goods, but juding on past failures to catch dupers this doesnt seem likely.

A bad intitial problem was turned into a complete disaster by the way SOE decided to handle things. Just add to that the complete failure on the PR side....were they thinking lack of information form them was somehow a GOOD THING??


Sliggoth, druid of the 7th Hammer


PS Im not sure that I could have come up with a worse solution and follow through, doesnt SOE have anyone who understands how to deal with customers?