Ok, we all know that sony is not going to make a classic server, it's just not in the books.
I have noticed lots of comments, however in people wanting to play in classic guilds/emulated classic eq, etc....The best possible solution, and subsequently most likely the only way for this to happen, is for the eq community to make an unofficial classic eq server
My vote, and this is with considerable thought, would be for the Stromm server, reasons being:
1) it is the newest blue server
--many of us who played in classic eq time have our home server full of toons that have wayyyyy too much time invested in to delete a character for a classic gameplay, and being the newest server, is less likely to be one that interested folks will have packed with UF geared or T5 toons
2) I have actually run into quite a few classic eq gamers on Stromm
3) it's blue, so it wont scare people away from being pvp (though the discord book quest still works...i did it today....well it turned my name red i didnt find anyone to fight)
4) if you do eventually get bored with i, you can always pick up a suit of defiant, some ds pots, and a merc and be back to grinding mms in no time
I know there are a considerable number of people looking to do classic eq/eq+kunark/velious, and if everyone sticks with the same server, its possible we could keep a decent player base doing old stuff. I know that ther are at least 2 classic guilds on Stromm, and it would be kinda cool if there could be more to get some classic eq guild rivalries going.
Anyone have any thoughts on this idea?
Edited, Feb 12th 2010 7:23am by Haldour
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Count me in, i just started playing classic again on stromm after reading the golden age guilds post.
3 boxing a pally, druid and chanter atm all lvl 5 and just plucking up the courage to assult orc hill :)
3 boxing a pally, druid and chanter atm all lvl 5 and just plucking up the courage to assult orc hill :)
Wow!
A forum search for "classic server" came up with 65 hits, if I dropped the search to just classic it was 1640 hits... sorry slow night at work.
Just a thought though...why don't all you "classic" types get together on one server and go, well...go classic!
Transfers are cheap, and it would be like...the best thing ever for you guys.
You could all do neat stuff like drink "classic cokes" while you were doing a "classic" level up race to the "classic" end game.
You could use old "classic" video cards to lower (or raise, from your point of view
) the quality of the experience.
Or better yet, scratch together an old pc, say less than a gigahertz of cpu speed, maybe 50 gigs of hd space. Go for one gig of ram or less, and one of those old boat anchor crts that takes up half of your bedroom in your mom's basement.
Hell you might even start a run on old computer equipment...developing a niche market for it.
Remember I suggested it when you have made it big there.
A forum search for "classic server" came up with 65 hits, if I dropped the search to just classic it was 1640 hits... sorry slow night at work.
Just a thought though...why don't all you "classic" types get together on one server and go, well...go classic!
Transfers are cheap, and it would be like...the best thing ever for you guys.
You could all do neat stuff like drink "classic cokes" while you were doing a "classic" level up race to the "classic" end game.
You could use old "classic" video cards to lower (or raise, from your point of view
) the quality of the experience. Or better yet, scratch together an old pc, say less than a gigahertz of cpu speed, maybe 50 gigs of hd space. Go for one gig of ram or less, and one of those old boat anchor crts that takes up half of your bedroom in your mom's basement.
Hell you might even start a run on old computer equipment...developing a niche market for it.
Remember I suggested it when you have made it big there.
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From recent posts we've got the following classic-type groups:
Zek <Nostalgists of Norrath> (PVP)
Stromm <Golden Age> (Good races)
Test <Intended Consequences>
FenninRo <Throwbacks>
Stromm does make sense for the reasons you pointed out. I don't have available slots on my main server either.
Test does have a lot of advantages, except that it has double experience so you level way too fast (*for a classic experience starting at level 1).
It's kind of a shame that all the different classic-oriented groups can't find a common ground to share (except for Heavydrop, who seems to play with all of them!). That said, count me in. I am assuming there won't be unreasonable restrictions on character race or class? I've got 6 level 1's on Stromm I made 7 years ago who probably wouldn't mind seeing East Commons for the first time.
Zek <Nostalgists of Norrath> (PVP)
Stromm <Golden Age> (Good races)
Test <Intended Consequences>
FenninRo <Throwbacks>
Stromm does make sense for the reasons you pointed out. I don't have available slots on my main server either.
Test does have a lot of advantages, except that it has double experience so you level way too fast (*for a classic experience starting at level 1).
It's kind of a shame that all the different classic-oriented groups can't find a common ground to share (except for Heavydrop, who seems to play with all of them!). That said, count me in. I am assuming there won't be unreasonable restrictions on character race or class? I've got 6 level 1's on Stromm I made 7 years ago who probably wouldn't mind seeing East Commons for the first time.
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Beltayne wrote : "3 boxing a pally, druid and chanter atm all lvl 5 and just plucking up the courage to assult orc hill :)"
Three boxing for classic EQ experience? /facepalm
Haldour wrote:
I have noticed lots of comments, however in people wanting to play in classic guilds/emulated classic eq, etc....The best possible solution, and subsequently most likely the only way for this to happen, is for the eq community to make an unofficial classic eq server
Really, the best way would be to find an emulated server or to play the Mac version (which ends in PoP). I realize PoP goes beyond some people's "Velious only" definition but then, hey, go for the emulated server thing then.
I've no actual issue with yet another "Classic guild" on Stromm or elsewhere, of course. Just saying there's technically better options.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I was very interested in giving EQ-Mac a try. I even went so far as to contact SOE and get my account enabled for EQ Mac. Little did I know that actually playing EQ on the Mac server entails paying for it as if it was a separate game.
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"3 boxing a pally, druid and chanter atm all lvl 5 and just plucking up the courage to assult orc hill :)"
Sorry Beltayne, I lol'd at this also, or was it meant as a joke?
If not, I think you're kind of missing the whole 'classic' spirit there matey. But each to their own & you pay your sub's, so go for it.
I'm also sold on the 'Classic' ideal, although I'm undecided on the server. I know I'll be playing a Troll Warrior & I like the idea of Firiona Vie, as I enjoy Roleplaying (& I can protect my swamp from those pesky stunties)...
Sure, it's under populated, it's also not as rp intensive as I recall from year's ago but that's to be expected in 2010. I daresay some people still play there solely for the fact they can buy pretty much anything.
I'm trying to convince my old EQ mates to come back (older now with less time on their hand's) & play but it's hard work, so we'll see.
I intend to take my time wandering the old world & building faction etc means I can hit Blackburrow, Crushbone, etc all over again- No 4 boxed , Merc fuelled rush to End game, No frantic DPS crunching, I can't wait.
"SG to Dock's"!
(Just a shame there's no one else in the damn zone to hear it)...
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Noww this might be becuase i've had way too much tequila...though i can still spell tequila so maybe not enough, but i know many people that dislike eq emulators becase of one simple fact...it is hard to find, (without SoD) a quality eq classic emulator that doesnt modify nonsense, like doube xp....i mean it takes work not to level up past 15 as it is. The reasons i suggested strom are listed above.
I do know of several guilds on strom doin classic eq...not progression, just enjoyment of the old wolrd quest, like those for the screaming mace or reserve nilitia tunic.
I am not trying to start a guild, build ranks, or anything like that, but i think that mobilizing the stromm server as a classic eq based server by teh eq community would be a positivge factor, and allow those of us that play real pay to play eq a chace to experience the game as it was intended
I do know of several guilds on strom doin classic eq...not progression, just enjoyment of the old wolrd quest, like those for the screaming mace or reserve nilitia tunic.
I am not trying to start a guild, build ranks, or anything like that, but i think that mobilizing the stromm server as a classic eq based server by teh eq community would be a positivge factor, and allow those of us that play real pay to play eq a chace to experience the game as it was intended
Haldour wrote:
I do know of several guilds on strom doin classic eq
I took a look at the Stromm community forum and I couldn't find any mention of 'classic' guilds. I didn't see Golden Age listed there either, so maybe I didn't look hard enough.
Can you list here all of the 'classic' type guilds you're aware of on Stromm?
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The two i know of are golden age and Kelorns Exploration company
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Nope not a joke, i 3 boxed from 2000 on and enjoyed eq all the way as many people did 2, 3 or more boxing when they felt like it.
And sadly it's sometimes needed when your playing for 10 hrs without seeing another soul, which is sadly not just a prob for stromms players, i've been on zek to and not seen a classic low lvl char to grp with for 2 days.
And sadly it's sometimes needed when your playing for 10 hrs without seeing another soul, which is sadly not just a prob for stromms players, i've been on zek to and not seen a classic low lvl char to grp with for 2 days.
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Ahh I see, yep I remember people 'boxing' back in 2000, I generally left the group shortly afterwards, after realising the Cleric, Warrior & Bard were controlled by the one person (The Bard was generally left with 'mana/heal' playing & as a Bard myself that always struck me a criminal bloody waste). Perhaps I was just consistently unlucky.
Seriously, in 2000 I was lucky to get a group & most of the zones were rammed, guildmates were in abundance & PUG's were always a laugh. I'm sorry you felt the need to 2-3 box.
I can totally understand it now though, although we clearly have different views on what constitues the 'classic' experience. For me it's a wry grin when I find a cracked staff or Fine Steel weapon :)
I've gotten kind of used to it thesedays & as a soloing Warrior I think of myself a crazed Hermit Troll (bit like Tom Hanks in Castaway..I break out in a sweat at the thought of a populated zone)
Good luck to you fella.
Edited, Feb 15th 2010 1:14pm by scarcasm
Edited, Feb 15th 2010 1:15pm by scarcasm
Seriously, in 2000 I was lucky to get a group & most of the zones were rammed, guildmates were in abundance & PUG's were always a laugh. I'm sorry you felt the need to 2-3 box.
I can totally understand it now though, although we clearly have different views on what constitues the 'classic' experience. For me it's a wry grin when I find a cracked staff or Fine Steel weapon :)
I've gotten kind of used to it thesedays & as a soloing Warrior I think of myself a crazed Hermit Troll (bit like Tom Hanks in Castaway..I break out in a sweat at the thought of a populated zone)
Good luck to you fella.
Edited, Feb 15th 2010 1:14pm by scarcasm
Edited, Feb 15th 2010 1:15pm by scarcasm
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Hey Hermit Troll, im playing an erudite paladin who is pretty much a hermit while trying to build up faction across norrath, maybe if we find a darkefl cleric or something we could have a nice little group of shunned adventurers
haha i've almost got my squad ring
send a tell to etuzen
come to think of it maybe we can start up an evil guild to rival golden age :)
Edited, Feb 15th 2010 2:21pm by Haldour
haha i've almost got my squad ring
send a tell to etuzen
come to think of it maybe we can start up an evil guild to rival golden age :)
Edited, Feb 15th 2010 2:21pm by Haldour
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maybe we can start up an evil guild to rival golden age
Actually that's what I thought you were looking to do originally. I'm not sure how much Meliandra really wants 'evils' in Golden Age and having a sister guild that more easily caters to evil faction players is not a bad idea at all. We could all just make a channel like 'eqclassic' to chat across.
Having more people you can call friend is rarely a bad idea.
>> Samatman 14 Iksar shaman - Stromm. Currently struggling with teaching people Lizardman so I can talk to them. I blame my parents for not talking in Common at the dinner table.
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We could all just make a channel like 'eqclassic' to chat across.
Well regardless of what we all do, this would be a nice way to keep in touch regardless of guild, guild alliance, or just hermit.
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That's a cracking idea Sam & Haldour,(didn't you say you'd handed in your PK book, bit of a no go for grouping eh?!?) I too got the impression that we'd be gate crashing Meliandra's 'good' house party, without bringing any wine.
An extract from the Guild Ethos:
Nothing beyond Velious exists for us.
For those who need it spelled out that means:
No Plane of Knowledge, no Wayfarer's Camps, no bazaar, no mercenaries
No Frogloks, no Drakkin and no Vah Shir.
Also no Beastlords and no Berserkers.
It is the Guild Leaders' request that Iksars are also not permitted.
Looks like we'll have to set up 'Team Evil' afterall.
As much as I like the idea of Firiona Vie,it is dead in the lower levels. I'd jump at the chance to group again, hopefully be some others coming along too as soon as their disks turn up. (My mates are also keen on returning to EQ but didn't want in on Zek, hopefully Stromm will be more to their liking).
I'll reroll my Swamp Guardian on Stromm tonight & be in touch.
Edited, Feb 16th 2010 7:42am by scarcasm
An extract from the Guild Ethos:
Nothing beyond Velious exists for us.
For those who need it spelled out that means:
No Plane of Knowledge, no Wayfarer's Camps, no bazaar, no mercenaries
No Frogloks, no Drakkin and no Vah Shir.
Also no Beastlords and no Berserkers.
It is the Guild Leaders' request that Iksars are also not permitted.
Looks like we'll have to set up 'Team Evil' afterall.
As much as I like the idea of Firiona Vie,it is dead in the lower levels. I'd jump at the chance to group again, hopefully be some others coming along too as soon as their disks turn up. (My mates are also keen on returning to EQ but didn't want in on Zek, hopefully Stromm will be more to their liking).
I'll reroll my Swamp Guardian on Stromm tonight & be in touch.
Edited, Feb 16th 2010 7:42am by scarcasm
scarcasm wrote:
No Frogloks, no Drakkin and no Vah Shir.
Also no Beastlords and no Berserkers.
It is the Guild Leaders' request that Iksars are also not permitted.
Also no Beastlords and no Berserkers.
It is the Guild Leaders' request that Iksars are also not permitted.
Yeah I read their website and Mel is definitely going for Everquest Original. I'm much more leaning to EQ Trilogy + Luclin.
Frankly, we could get bogged down by what defines "classic" forever - it is likely the main reason why there has never been an official classic server. It's not possible to please everyone because everyone draws the last line at a different point.
I'd rather just go with the flow and let everyone draw their own line in the sand or snow. If you want to play Vah Shir, play it. If you want to level in Paludal Cavern, well go ahead - it doesn't hurt my own conceptions of "classic" if I would prefer not to. Everything pre-Planes of Power is generally the same quality of play, the same itemization, etc.
I'd like to hear in from Meliandra to see what he thinks of a server-wide channel. It might really help in making the classic community feel more like a community and not just separate guilds.
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That makes sense Sam as while I am playing the non twinking, non POP, old World.I prefer to use the new graphics over the older textures.
I'll start my Troll & we'll see what happens with the numbers.
I'll start my Troll & we'll see what happens with the numbers.
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I prefer to use the new graphics over the older textures.
yup me to.
Chat channel idea sounds like a great idea.
I'm sorry you felt the need to 2-3 box.
No need to feel sorry :) i boxed when i knew i had little pl;ay time or those times i knew i would have to afk alot and in later years when we needed certain classes to do certain area's :)
As for us n ikkies on stromm , i am happy to play with any ikky except an ikky monk ( as my main used to be a human monk ) i feel that was a major *** shafting for us poor hummies :o)
yup me to.
Chat channel idea sounds like a great idea.
I'm sorry you felt the need to 2-3 box.
No need to feel sorry :) i boxed when i knew i had little pl;ay time or those times i knew i would have to afk alot and in later years when we needed certain classes to do certain area's :)
As for us n ikkies on stromm , i am happy to play with any ikky except an ikky monk ( as my main used to be a human monk ) i feel that was a major *** shafting for us poor hummies :o)
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1. Use stuff upto and inc vellous ( i would also be happy to agree to luclin,as i enjoyed it, providing folks can limit themselves to spire travel n not use books and say oh i used spire )
2. I'd like a single guild on the server, keeps all us mad folks together for grping. ( guild restrictions = none as far as i'm concerned despite my above winge about the ikky mnk :) ( guess my mnk has tail envy :p))
3. NO def gear even as loot to sell as it don't technically exsist ( 1 of the hardest things i had to adjust to, leaving def stuff on corpses to rot )
4. Eqclassic channel great idea even if we don't all manage to get on 1 server
probaly missing alot of stuff atm but i have been drinking all day today
2. I'd like a single guild on the server, keeps all us mad folks together for grping. ( guild restrictions = none as far as i'm concerned despite my above winge about the ikky mnk :) ( guess my mnk has tail envy :p))
3. NO def gear even as loot to sell as it don't technically exsist ( 1 of the hardest things i had to adjust to, leaving def stuff on corpses to rot )
4. Eqclassic channel great idea even if we don't all manage to get on 1 server
probaly missing alot of stuff atm but i have been drinking all day today
Don't forget: no augments, no tradeskill UI, no use of shift or ctrl to group or single click groups of items, no loot all button, no mounts, no familiars (except wizzies), no powersources, no charms and a whole list of spells that didn't exist in these time periods...
for the true classic experience that is.
for the true classic experience that is.
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Hey Beltayne
Is it just me or is the Defiant armour look bloody hideous? What's with the colour schemes?
Is it just me or is the Defiant armour look bloody hideous? What's with the colour schemes?
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LOL yeah think the colours were done by a shammy after a good session of alchemy :)))
As someone said I'm the only one that seems to play with all
the classic guilds, and to some extent that was true.
We made an attempt on Fennin Ro with Throwbacks, but after
weeks of inactivity on the part of our spare members (4 total)
I gave that up and switched to Golden Age on Stromm.
While Golden Age has been good to me, in my opinion it will
not generate the momentum to be a raiding or larger functioning
guild. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hardcore raider and it
is not the most important thing to me EQ wise, but I would like
to know that if I put in the effort to level a toon and equip it
that the rest of the guild I'm playing won't evaporate.
As I've said on other posts that is just risk we all take.
I must confess that I've been spending more time with
Nostalgists of Norrath on Zek because of the larger numbers and
activity. We're hitting Lguk and Hate and good stuff like that.
What I like about Golden Age is that it is more consistent with
being what is best about classic. No twinking is allowed and no
gear giving to guildies, unless its something as mundane as patchwork
armor, etc. I like it better because it means things go slower,
we have to work for our gear and i enjoy the challenge.
I also like how Golden Age is open to Velious already with no plans
to ever move past it. I don't care for much beyond Velious and this
idea appeals to me.
The problem is getting people onboard with that idea. We've just not
had the activity level I would like us to have and I did try to get
a guild website going but hasn't had much effect.
Nostalgists has been nice because it has displayed more leadership
with the idea of progressing and working together to get things done.
Their website is functioning with the guild discussing things.
Its what I have to weigh to decide where to play. More purist
or more activity... I do encourage people to play with Golden Age
and this week I will dedicate more time to play there as I really really
like the feel it has... that and I already have a 38 druid there.
I also really the idea that a certain server is dedicated as the
"Classic Server" and Strommm is a good a choice as any.
There are aspects to Test that make it very desireable but
that is not so appealing to some.
When it comes down to it... who is really in control of the game?
Us or SoE? Things have been borked beyond recognition, but we're
still here and we're still playing so I say play the way we want
and make the best of it.
Edited, Feb 20th 2010 10:34pm by heavydrop
the classic guilds, and to some extent that was true.
We made an attempt on Fennin Ro with Throwbacks, but after
weeks of inactivity on the part of our spare members (4 total)
I gave that up and switched to Golden Age on Stromm.
While Golden Age has been good to me, in my opinion it will
not generate the momentum to be a raiding or larger functioning
guild. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hardcore raider and it
is not the most important thing to me EQ wise, but I would like
to know that if I put in the effort to level a toon and equip it
that the rest of the guild I'm playing won't evaporate.
As I've said on other posts that is just risk we all take.
I must confess that I've been spending more time with
Nostalgists of Norrath on Zek because of the larger numbers and
activity. We're hitting Lguk and Hate and good stuff like that.
What I like about Golden Age is that it is more consistent with
being what is best about classic. No twinking is allowed and no
gear giving to guildies, unless its something as mundane as patchwork
armor, etc. I like it better because it means things go slower,
we have to work for our gear and i enjoy the challenge.
I also like how Golden Age is open to Velious already with no plans
to ever move past it. I don't care for much beyond Velious and this
idea appeals to me.
The problem is getting people onboard with that idea. We've just not
had the activity level I would like us to have and I did try to get
a guild website going but hasn't had much effect.
Nostalgists has been nice because it has displayed more leadership
with the idea of progressing and working together to get things done.
Their website is functioning with the guild discussing things.
Its what I have to weigh to decide where to play. More purist
or more activity... I do encourage people to play with Golden Age
and this week I will dedicate more time to play there as I really really
like the feel it has... that and I already have a 38 druid there.
I also really the idea that a certain server is dedicated as the
"Classic Server" and Strommm is a good a choice as any.
There are aspects to Test that make it very desireable but
that is not so appealing to some.
When it comes down to it... who is really in control of the game?
Us or SoE? Things have been borked beyond recognition, but we're
still here and we're still playing so I say play the way we want
and make the best of it.
Edited, Feb 20th 2010 10:34pm by heavydrop
I am tempted to quote you, heavy, but if you had the will to say that all out loud you probably won't edit it.
I can also see the issues with playing 'probabilities'. We only have so much time (in game) and we try to optimize it as best as possible. When I realized Golden Age was going a route of exclusion rather than inclusion to bring as many people as possible in to try 'classic' play, I went my own way. Anavar's Zek guild seems to have a lot of momentum. For a brief minute, I wondered if a /guildwar between evils on Stromm and the 'goods' of Golden Age could draw people off Zek and make Stromm a true classic destination for everyone who was looking for that game. Maybe it could, but the evil outcasts have no momentum, no guild, and I am not a leader type.
I suspect that Golden Age is just as disinterested in evils in-guild as they are in a 'guildwar' with them. I also felt that Anavar's efforts on Zek were worth not interfering with, as much as I dislike pvp servers. That came out the wrong way... I mean, I truly respect what he's done there and I wouldn't want to work against him in any way.
That said, I think Stromm has a chance of becoming a classic server of choice. But we need either more inclusion on the alliance side, or a strong leader on the evil side, with collaboration on both sides.
My 20 levels playing classic have given me some insight though, and I am convinced that true progression play is the only way to mitigate twinking, trade, bazaar, vendors, etc. When you simply segregate it all out as 'original', 'kunark', 'velious'... you know what you can have and when. progression is the only way to do 'classic' in a way that means something to people.
Good luck on Zek... I may join you if I can get past all of Vinny's posts here. "Want a port?"
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I can also see the issues with playing 'probabilities'. We only have so much time (in game) and we try to optimize it as best as possible. When I realized Golden Age was going a route of exclusion rather than inclusion to bring as many people as possible in to try 'classic' play, I went my own way. Anavar's Zek guild seems to have a lot of momentum. For a brief minute, I wondered if a /guildwar between evils on Stromm and the 'goods' of Golden Age could draw people off Zek and make Stromm a true classic destination for everyone who was looking for that game. Maybe it could, but the evil outcasts have no momentum, no guild, and I am not a leader type.
I suspect that Golden Age is just as disinterested in evils in-guild as they are in a 'guildwar' with them. I also felt that Anavar's efforts on Zek were worth not interfering with, as much as I dislike pvp servers. That came out the wrong way... I mean, I truly respect what he's done there and I wouldn't want to work against him in any way.
That said, I think Stromm has a chance of becoming a classic server of choice. But we need either more inclusion on the alliance side, or a strong leader on the evil side, with collaboration on both sides.
My 20 levels playing classic have given me some insight though, and I am convinced that true progression play is the only way to mitigate twinking, trade, bazaar, vendors, etc. When you simply segregate it all out as 'original', 'kunark', 'velious'... you know what you can have and when. progression is the only way to do 'classic' in a way that means something to people.
Good luck on Zek... I may join you if I can get past all of Vinny's posts here. "Want a port?"
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