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#1 Mar 11 2012 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
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addons do they have them are legal? also in eqoa afk xp was frowned on in the begining,then was ok.What is the policy in eq
#2 Mar 11 2012 at 7:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Anything that modifies the data stream is prohibited. Monitoring the stream is acceptable (Lucy Item Collector is a good example of this). Repetative key macros, are frowned upon, but generally acceptable if not away from keyboard. The big no nos, are pretty much anything automated that is not a simple autofire type of mechanism, such as an autofire game pad, or program, and again only while not afk.

As with all things illegal, there are some people that break the rules, and somethings are more aggressively pursued by Sony than others. My advise is avoid anything clearly illegal, and be careful using anything questionable. The worst thing I use is an autofire program to work on skills and such, instead of having to hammer a key non-stop, but do it while at the keyboard, other than the occasional get to go to the bathroom or get a refill or answer the door, or what not, so if a GM does send me a message, I can respond fairly quickly.

The main addons that are completely legal and even encouraged by most, is the use of custom UIs (see the EQInterface link at the top menu bar), and Lucy Item Collector for here, and the other ones for other sites, such as Magelo's. Item collectors simply monitor the data stream and keep records of your personal characters inventory, and sometimes progression, as well automatically update personal profiles and databases, such as the item and spell database here.

There used to be more UI like addons, such as custom help, and journals, and even atlas, but many of those have fallen to the wayside without being updated with the games changes. And one of my favorite addons was a server monitor, that gave live updates to server status, and way back gave current populations (but way back, the eq launcher used to do that as well). The addon was nice after the original patcher quit doing that.

There are alot of programs in the illegal category that do lots of different things. Ones that modify the data stream include, run speed mods, stat modifiers, immediate transportation, etc. Ones that give information you shouldn't be able to know, such as existance and exact location of any and all mobs in a zone, as well as their loot (Although I think they fixed the loot table to not be generated until a mob is dead now, so you can't know ahead of killing it, even with such programs). Ones that automate things more than a simple repetative key stroke, such as using a whole group of players to automatically seek out nameds, kill them, and loot them, without any actual person playing the toons. Alot of illegal programs are simpler, but exploit game mechanics to do things. One of these exploits is called ghosting, where the toon waprs back and forth so fast that it never gets hit, but continues to hit the mob.

I hope this helps some, and you should note, I may be off a little bit on some points, as the standing has changed over the years. The original standing on autofire was no, no matter what the condition, and although I personally haven't seen an official statment about it being ok if not afk, I have heard it second hand a few times, susposedly from GMs, and I've never heard of anyone getting banned for simple repetative keystrokes while not afk. All of this doesn't mean for sure, that it's ok, but you would think it should be, simply to avoid carpel tunnel syndrome.

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#3 Mar 11 2012 at 11:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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(Although I think they fixed the loot table to not be generated until a mob is dead now, so you can't know ahead of killing it, even with such programs).

I wouldn't think that's possible unless pickpocketing and "drop" loot are now separate tables.
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#4 Mar 12 2012 at 12:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm pretty sure they are separate tables nowadays, and I've also heard that the loot is generated on death but heck if I remember where.
#5 Mar 12 2012 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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I've wondered about what I read also, as you see mobs with weapons (mostly defiant now, since they're global and common), but what I assume is, you can't get that info until it's dead, or like with pickpocket until you are successful, then only the item you are successful with. Or maybe they didn't even really fix it, and just said so, or put some minor step in the way or something. In EQ2, they still haven't fixed the exploit to know if a named mob is up in a zone without tracking it down, using a simple emote. From what I've read, and they said they fixed it 3 times in the first year by basically limiting the ways to do it, it was still possible, and appears it still is.

Anyway, I forgot another common 3rd party thing that is legal, is log parsers and monitors. Some of the best are what got Sony to add audio triggers which some of the log monitors did and do. It definitely helped me alot, being very visually disabled.

I often wonder how I played the game back in the day, with a single chat window before they had a slew of filters (I didn't use any but /ooc when in trading zones like EC, but they didn't have any combat ones other than melee and spell on and off, iirc, so I left them on, or I may have been clueless to the advanced ones at the time). Text went flying by during group combat, but I was still able to catch most of the important stuff (group messages). Although it seemed people didn't talk much during combat back then, it was mostly pull alert, then loot when done, and comments after a fight, like nice crit, etc.

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#6 Mar 14 2012 at 12:37 AM Rating: Good
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To help expand on the idea of what makes a program illegal in SOE's eyes, I have a decent example.

ISBoxer (http://isboxer.com/)

ISBoxer is the type of program that if you vaguely hear about would make you raise an eyebrow on its in game legality, heck the name of the program alone did when I first heard about it. While actually, a program like this used in the proper manner of only streamlining functionality and not automating it, is fine. I actually decided to check this one out for myself after seeing it discussed on the official EQ boards and seeing a team member there refer to it as fine to use, so long as it still results in a person being at the keyboard to run their characters.

#7 Mar 15 2012 at 5:14 PM Rating: Good
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Check out Gambosoft.com to read about what Gamanern's programs can do.

GamParse is what you use to parse your fights. And GamTextTriggers is used to setup audio triggers and a visual overlay of messages and/or timers.

These programs do nothing invasive within the game, because they only monitor the /log file and report what they are seeing there. So, there is absolutely no problem using these.

I have recommended these 2 programs (mainly GTT) to more people than anything else eq-related. They are very efficient, and can actually improve the performance of EQ by freeing up the internal EQ game engine from processing audio triggers. The way my friend explained it, he said GTT removed the "bottleneck of information" where the EQ engine was slowing things down. All I know is after I started using GTT for my audio triggers, I was actually able to have spell particles on and even during raids where it was the biggest problem before.

If you don't download ANY other UI mods/helpful programs, download at least GamTextTriggers, as that is the important one that can help you with all aspects of your game, including graphic performance.
#8 Mar 16 2012 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Yther wrote:
(Although I think they fixed the loot table to not be generated until a mob is dead now, so you can't know ahead of killing it, even with such programs).

I wouldn't think that's possible unless pickpocketing and "drop" loot are now separate tables.


I remember - back in the day - you could tell if the golem had a Lamentation to drop because it was visible in his(her/its) hand. Postmortem loot generation would change that but I have no idea if it is for the better or not.

I do remember being horrified when a shaman I played with told me what mobs were in a pool in from of us and I realised he was using ShowEQ. Its funny what people can justify to themselves.


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