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#1 Sep 07 2013 at 5:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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I love alts. They distract me from getting anywhere in the game really. I feel like I did nearly every male/race/class combo the first 5 years I was playing EQ. Granted there is a pile of classes I never seem to get past level 25. I even started making female characters just to mix it up (there was a brief window in time where I was playing 5 drakkin females on the same server in alternation). Maybe what I have played covers some of the "seldom seen" mixes, but maybe not.

I recognize there is server variation and modern census is very different than even 5 years ago (due to ooc regen and mercs mostly I would say).

What race/class/gender combos would you call rare? You can add deity if you wish (for the few instances where that applies).

I'm thinking:

female froglok shadowknight (don't want to play one though)
Vah shir rogue of either gender (again I wouldn't play as I have a dwarf rogue that got past my level-stall point).
#2 Sep 07 2013 at 8:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Did you see guild chat tonight? Female frogloks are very rare. Chanters are rare. Iksars that are not monks or sk.
#3 Sep 07 2013 at 9:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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My Rogue is Vah Shir and I also play an Iksar Beastlord (very, very rarely as I also have a Vah Shir BST) and an Iksar Warrior. I am also recently leveling a Gnome Chanter. I had once played a High Elf one to level 30 or so then abandoned it. The only races I have never played are Human and Erudite. I loved the way a friend's Erudite Pally looked and if I hadn't already had a Pally, I would have started one. I had a Halfer Ranger but didn't like it at all and rerolled a Drakkin one once they became available. As for rarity, I cannot remember ever seeing a Froglok Cleric of any gender.

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#4 Sep 07 2013 at 9:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you box, female and male drakkins that can FD. I have a male monk, wife has a female necro, they FD on top of each other in a 69 position. Seemed unique to races to me.

I've played 2 Iks War, as well as had some friends that have played them too. My Wood Elf War feels a little unique, as no one thinks of him as a War and rather a Bard, and sometimes a Rogue (but I'm wearing plate).

I won't play a Frog, although I think my wife has a female one somewhere, maybe that's just mercs. I've played female Iks. First War was female Iks.

I don't see many female Trolls, and I've played alot of them, but may they stay in illusions most of the time.

Yther Ore.
#5 Sep 07 2013 at 10:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you box, female and male drakkins that can FD. I have a male monk, wife has a female necro, they FD on top of each other in a 69 position. Seemed unique to races to me.

I've played 2 Iks War, as well as had some friends that have played them too. My Wood Elf War feels a little unique, as no one thinks of him as a War and rather a Bard, and sometimes a Rogue (but I'm wearing plate).

I won't play a Frog, although I think my wife has a female one somewhere, maybe that's just mercs. I've played female Iks. First War was female Iks.

I don't see many female Trolls, and I've played alot of them, but may they stay in illusions most of the time.

Yther Ore.


Why won't you play a Frog, Yther? They are my favorite race, I love the lore and such behind them and the way they look and everything, but I could see how it isn't for everyone, but I seem to recall other posts where you flat out refuse to play one, and I'm just curious as to why. I created an account just to ask you this by the way, since you are so active on every forum I read, I'm very curious.
#6 Sep 07 2013 at 10:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's something about them. Not sure exactly what, although I really dislike the floppy watery sounds they make, and don't like the look of them. It's just my least favorite race and really didn't like them coming in and taking over the troll city or many other aspects of their introduction.

I've had lots of frog friends, but I just don't like them myself. Maybe it's due to my love of the Troll race too. /shrug. EQ2 really turned me off frogs as well. As if, I didn't dislike them enough in EQ1!

It's probably something like Snakes, which I wouldn't play a Shissar either, if it was a playable race. Iksar is the only hissing / lots of Sses creature to play!

Yther Ore.
#7 Sep 07 2013 at 10:57 PM Rating: Excellent
Yther wrote:
It's something about them. Not sure exactly what, although I really dislike the floppy watery sounds they make, and don't like the look of them. It's just my least favorite race and really didn't like them coming in and taking over the troll city or many other aspects of their introduction.

I've had lots of frog friends, but I just don't like them myself. Maybe it's due to my love of the Troll race too. /shrug. EQ2 really turned me off frogs as well. As if, I didn't dislike them enough in EQ1!

It's probably something like Snakes, which I wouldn't play a Shissar either, if it was a playable race. Iksar is the only hissing / lots of Sses creature to play!

Yther Ore.



Fair enough, I too like trolls, and even though Frogs are my favorite race, Trolls are my second favorite, so the whole hatred between the two lore wise makes me conflicted inside from time to time. Thanks for answering :) .
#8 Sep 08 2013 at 5:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ok Yther, one downrate for not liking frogloks. Kec Courtin Andidride is a frog cleric there are quite a few of us on Povar. I just started an Iksar female shaman on the Jonwin account. Lets see how far I can Pl her and get some small buffs for my other account. Her name is Patapsco.


Alright I couldnt do it Yther, no rate down no matter how hard I thought about it, my finger would not co-operate.


Edited, Sep 8th 2013 7:57am by Jonwin
#9 Sep 08 2013 at 7:01 AM Rating: Good
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I'd bet rarest combo in the game is a troll female beastlord. Closely followed by a troll female zerker.

Trolls aren't that common to begin with and only someone with a strange sense of humor would play a female troll. The few females who play EQ, from my experience, like to be as attractive in-game as they think they are out-of-game, so I can't see any of them playing trolls. Male players who like to go the mangina route on occasion usually want to play a female toon that's nice to look at during long camp sessions so that leaves trolls out.

Finally beastlords and zerkers are probably the two least-played classes. That's just my opinion, of course, hard evidence would be interesting to see. This could be done by combing Magelo info, or somewhat anecdotally by taking a bunch of /whos in-game while wandering different zones.

I'd have posited frogloks a close second behind trolls in terms of scarcity but ironically the last two noobs who I buffed in PoK recently were both frogs. I buff noobs a lot and I can't remember the last troll...

Okay, I followed my own advice and did a quick check of Magelo. Here is census info for BLs on my server, FV. This is both M and F since Magelo doesn't screen by gender:

Troll: 7
Ogre: 20
Barb: 48
Iksar: 32
Vah Shir: 100+

Just for funsies I checked my own combo, Halfling druid. Anecdotally, there's always the case being made that there are so many Halfling druids in Norrath that an ogre can't walk across PoK without finding a couple crushed under his boots. But the count for that combo is 45. I'd say nowadays the ogres are finding crushed kitty cats on the soles of their feets... ;)



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#10 Sep 08 2013 at 8:53 AM Rating: Good
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Jonwin wrote:
Did you see guild chat tonight? Female frogloks are very rare. Chanters are rare. Iksars that are not monks or sk.


yep, it was a good discussion.
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In respects to this entire thread, here's my most-played character history: The two in bold have more combined playtime than all the others together.

male Dark Elf enchanter (main for several years)
male Dark Elf cleric (my oldest character not deleted, has 1.0)
male Wood elf ranger (long term slow levelled alt)
male Iksar beastlord (levelled progression style to 50s before all the changes boosted xp/gear so much)
female Drakkin chanter (main on in a progression guild, now a human enchanter and my current main on Povar)
female Human monk (this was my Mayong server main, lost interest at 65)
female Drakkin necromancer (my main for years, now an Erudite Male, trapped on FV server where I don't want to play atm).
female Barbarian beastlord (level 55 and insanely geared on FV)
male Dwarf rogue (got bored at level 51, has been in <Aude Sapere> for years with other retired alla poster characters)
female Wood Elf Ranger (mayong moved to Zek now on Luclin but I lost interest again lol)
male Wood Elf Druid (rolled him on Vox as I had never played a druid. Got bored at 55)
female Erudite necromancer (my progression server main).
female Troll beastlord (I foolishly moved her to zek, she's level 57 and when I get enough free station cash I will move her to Povar likely).

I have a literal army of alts spread across servers and now-defunct accounts. Most of them are below level 30 (I have deleted level 50s characters in the past). I rolled a pile of characters on Povar anticipating going silver (I did for 3 days... reupped to Gold lol). Froglok shaman, Half elf War, Iksar SK, etc... I can play anything for a while. My personality is that something odd enough might inspire me to get past my usual "retirement" age of the level 55 range.
#11 Sep 08 2013 at 9:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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I would like Everquest to comply with Lore though, I wouldn't want to see an Ogre Enchanter or a Troll Wizard, since the races don't have the intellect to become said combos (via Curses from the Gods).

No one wants to see Ogres as top dogs anymore.... they'd make my newly level 100 paladin into some sort of pickled dish to be eaten with a side of crackers....

/shiver.
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In my own personal experience, female tanks of any flavor are at least uncommon. I think I've seen one other female Erudite SK besides mine (and we both verbally high-fived one another in tells upon seeing one another). I don't see many frogloks period and they're almost exclusively casters, either arcane or divine.

Troll beastlords were a lot more common when the class launched and their mature pet size rivaled Lockjaw. Having their pets permanently reduced to gecko size took a lot of fun out of it and I think a lot of people dropped the class or changed race.
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Trolls aren't that common to begin with and only someone with a strange sense of humor would play a female troll. The few females who play EQ, from my experience, like to be as attractive in-game as they think they are out-of-game, so I can't see any of them playing trolls

There should be a sub-category to a race census. Beyond "Female Troll/Ogre" you need "Female Troll/Ogre NOT named Huugemomma Kissesluv, Prettygurrl Wannahumpu or Largefunn Baggsrgreat"
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#13 Sep 08 2013 at 5:08 PM Rating: Good

Rare for me is easy since I won't play any beast races (iksar, frogs, cats) so I have none of them. Though I have at least 3 of every class over 70 except Monk (two) and Beastlord (only one), my stable remains diverse, though heavy on the DPS (nine wizards, seven rogues, five mages, etc) and support (nine clerics, four druids, three shaman). Rare combos for me would be Erudite (only have one, a cleric), gnome (two: wizard and mage), and dwarf (one, a warrior).

As far as what I actually see on FV, I haven't seen a lot of female cat warriors or rogues. Most of the female cats I see (which aren't a lot) are either shaman or berserkers. Can't speak to frogs since they're usually invisible to me (I hate their idle animation though I realize its uniqueness). Females of all of the less attractive races seem rare, with maybe ogres coming out ahead. Some others that come to mind:

Female Dwarf rogue
Female Halfling Rogue
Female Halfling Warrior
Female Erudite SK
Male Erudite Cleric
Male Gnome Cleric


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#14 Sep 08 2013 at 5:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
There should be a sub-category to a race census. Beyond "Female Troll/Ogre" you need "Female Troll/Ogre NOT named Huugemomma Kissesluv, Prettygurrl Wannahumpu or Largefunn Baggsrgreat"


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Remianen wrote:

Rare for me is easy since I won't play any beast races (iksar, frogs, cats) so I have none of them. Though I have at least 3 of every class over 70 except Monk (two) and Beastlord (only one), my stable remains diverse, though heavy on the DPS (nine wizards, seven rogues, five mages, etc) and support (nine clerics, four druids, three shaman). Rare combos for me would be Erudite (only have one, a cleric), gnome (two: wizard and mage), and dwarf (one, a warrior).

As far as what I actually see on FV, I haven't seen a lot of female cat warriors or rogues. Most of the female cats I see (which aren't a lot) are either shaman or berserkers. Can't speak to frogs since they're usually invisible to me (I hate their idle animation though I realize its uniqueness). Females of all of the less attractive races seem rare, with maybe ogres coming out ahead. Some others that come to mind:

Female Dwarf rogue
Female Halfling Rogue
Female Halfling Warrior
Female Erudite SK
Male Erudite Cleric
Male Gnome Cleric




Umm... I'm just curious, why would you have as many as NINE wizards? That's more than there are races that can play wizards.... Just curious!
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Here's what I have gone with for now (only some will survive to mid level, allowing room for other combos):

female gnome warrior
female froglok paladin
male high elf wizard (I've never played a High elf!)
female half-elf bard
female erudite mage
male half-elf warrior (I know... 2 wars... one is dead for sure)

already have the old male dwarf rogue and female human chanter on the server.
will move the female troll beast there at some point. Also have female iksar necro and male erudite cleric (paineel!) that could get moved in.
#17 Sep 09 2013 at 5:37 AM Rating: Decent
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My current list:

Main Server (Tunare)

Male High Elf Paladin 75
Male Dark Elf Necromancer 71
Male Vah Shir Beastlord 71
Male Dwarf Cleric 65
Male Gnome Wizard 65
Male Iksar Warrior 61
Male High Elf Magician 61
Male Barbarian Shaman 57
Male Gnome Enchanter 55
Male Vah Shir Rogue 45
Male Dark Elf Shadowknight 26
Male Vah Shir Bard 21

Luclin

Male Iksar Beastlord 60
Male Ogre Warrior 45
Male Drakkin Ranger 41
Male Dark Elf Cleric 27

And various others scattered over several accounts and servers.
#18 Sep 09 2013 at 10:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Umm... I'm just curious, why would you have as many as NINE wizards? That's more than there are races that can play wizards.... Just curious!


It's how I accumulated so many characters/accounts over the years. I'd start a new character to play with some RL acquaintances/friends and then run into one of the 'no groups easily found' level ranges (that varies by class and year) so then I'd make a complementary character on the (then) second account to pair with them. If I grew to like the first character, I'd split them off onto their own account (when the option to do so became available). That, in addition to friends dumping their accounts on me when they quit (like four clerics after SoD launched) is how I wound up with so much redundancy. Plus, Wizard and Rogue are my favorite classes in EQ (and the game was a lot friendlier for those classes in years past) so if rolling on a new server, those were my go-to choices. New servers (like Kane Bayle and The Combine), the first character rolled was a cleric, for obvious reasons. And I've never been shy about splitting a character off onto a fresh account so they can duo with another character on that account.

Been playing EQ for 14 years come Thanksgiving and I've jumped around a lot, class and server wise, so that leads to a lot of toons building up. Add to that some disposable income and friends who trust you ("I don't want some Chinaman stripping my years of work to sell it off or worse, turning my <insert class here> into a bot!"), and you wind up with lots of redundancy.

EDIT: Besides, my firing squad has helped many a person get their epic. Five wizards and a bard in a group, ISBoxer allowing me to synchronize their casts, and five Intertwining * followed by five Ethereal * all boosted by the bard is money - go spend it!

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