Named spawn rate tied to your Hunter Achievement status?Follow

Exactly, which is why I proposed the test.

Sippin, I'm still willing to try it, if you want to make a list of HoF names and what order to group them in.

I already suggested a test, but it got lost in the static.

The last two nameds I need in Evantil are Uzrinar and Seedspitter.

The last two nameds I need in Plane of Shadow are Xorla Var and ZeL Kaxri.

Please camp them all. If you get them quick, it's anecdotal evidence supporting my contention altho I would agree this would not be definitive. If it takes you a lot of clears, then it would support the argument that thru sheer chance I left the "rare" hunter spawns for last, altho again far from definitive.

I have cleared PHers for these 4 nameds at least 20 times each, probably even more. Not only did I clear the PHer spots showed on the Brewall maps, I've cleared any other similarly nameds mobs. For example, the last 6 clears for Uzrinar, I cleared every ape at the top of the big tree and that must be some 25 apes.

Every other named in both zones, I doubt I had to clear more than 6x. Rather often 1 or 2 clears was sufficient.

I havent had much play time available lately but I also want to test both clearing with an alt in group as well as clearing with my "backup" druid.

I do find this somewhat intriguing. I'm willing to believe it's all the RNG but my gut tells me, from a LOT of experience doing Hunter achievements, that there's something more at work...


Edited, Feb 7th 2019 3:40pm by Sippin

Edited, Feb 7th 2019 3:41pm by Sippin

I don't think any result is a proof, in the mathematical sense. The zones we could do as you describe would be Breeding Grounds, where I've killed only Seros, and the Hearts of Fear triad of subzones, where I've only killed Simira and Soulhollow. We could tackle those as well. I'll go alphabetically and you go reverse-alphabetically.

Hearts of Fear could be a bad sample since the achievement is really tied to three distinct zones. The code, if it exists as I think, could work in each zone separately. Maybe best to focus on each one sequentially, following the same alphabetical scheme.

Started in Evantil with the gorilla (Uzrinar). Have cleared PH area 5 times now, so far nothing (see map on right at https://rof.eqresource.com/nameevantil.php, I'm clearing the 4 platforms forming a parallelogram, with the two spawn spots marking what would be the left side of said parallelogram). This is with no names down in Evantil. Interestingly, when I got to Evantil, none of the 10 named mobs were up. That's unusual, when I first get to a new zone to hunt names, there's usually at least a couple up.

Anyway, this looks like a big enough time commitment, I may put it on a back burner. I will update here, when I have something useful to report.

One other comment: I liked HoT better, with PHs having very specific names which corresponded with the main Name. For this, I'm probably clearing more mobs than needed, since I'm not positive the two spots shown are the only possible spawn spots. So, another factor which may come into play here, you may not be clearing all possible PHs (or even the correct PHs), so that could also be a factor. But then, again, as you say, only on the ones you leave to the last group of three?

Another question for you... you've mentioned a few RoF zones where you're stuck. What was your experience in the other RoF zones? No issues? If not, then maybe this is just a bad RNG run. Also, any hard to spawn names early in a zone, before you got to the last set of 3?

Edited, Feb 8th 2019 1:00pm by tatankaseventh

Well, now I'm sucked in ;)

Decided the spawn markings on the map were specific enough, and corresponded to actual spawn spots well enough, I'm just going to trust them, and clear PHs for all three names at the top of the tree.

Have now cleared PHs 8, 2, and 2 times for the gorilla, vine maw and fear howler names. Nothing so far.

OK, doing the clearing for the 3 mobs at the top of the tree, I got the vine maw and fear howler on the same round. So, 4 clearings, and then the named for both.

For Uzrinar, I'm up to 13 clearings with no joy so far. Either it's a bear to spawn, or the available info on which spots are the spawn points are not accurate.

As to finding a name up, it happens all the time. I got the majority of HoT names just cruising through and picking off whatever was up. For me, I would be that guy leaving it up. When I'm clearing lots of spots, it's just continuous cycles, like I was doing at the top of the tree. But, once I got the two, I just had the gorilla left. Cleared those spots, and then logged out of boredom. I'll log in tomorrow, and hopefully find it up.

One other possibility: The server, or the zone, was reset, and that popped the name. I was shocked yesterday to log in without my trader needing to be logged out. First time that's happened on Tunare, other than patch days, in a very long time. But it does happen.

Edited, Feb 8th 2019 11:32pm by tatankaseventh

Edited, Feb 9th 2019 2:14am by tatankaseventh

No, I've only been at the top of the trees. I didn't even know there were apes on the ground.

I was referring to the specific spawn spots mentioned on EQR and on ZAM. There are two very specific spawns spots on two adjacent platforms (well, a platform, and on a bridge nearby). If he can spawn elsewhere, then just clearing those two spots wouldn't be very effective. However, the specific spots called out for the other two up there were spot on, so my guess is:

1 - Uzrinar is a rare named
2 - Your internal RNG hates you, and made you leave him til last ;)

I'll keep posting as I get more updates.

^Well said and fair enough.

Sippin has a few of us interested in this (though I am not helping... no character near this content).

"Added to the community" isn't really a fair representation --Sippin is basically responsible for the posting of strats/experiences on the vast majority of instanced/mission content here for several years. So when Sippin says "this seems odd" it is noteworthy in the context of "This is a person that has seen a lot, and taken the time to tell us about it --and not prone to implausible guesses".

Plus... Sippin would like to be proven wrong just as much as right in this situation, based on how Sippin has presented themselves here over time. I see the point of the thread being sharing notes on similar content in a focused way, rather than waiting years for someone else to try it.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if the odd named is just an auto-spawn on a really long timer and not connected to the PH at all, or just that much rarer of a % to spawn from the PH. Also wouldn't surprise me if it was just sadistic EQ bad luck.

I never really bought this often-repeated quote, which is often attributed wrongly to Einstein. Heck, this is the exact approach players take to camping named spawns. We kill the PHers repeatedly expecting a different result than the PHer popping again and eventually (most of the time except when it's the last named I need in a zone evidently ) we do get a different result, i.e. the named pops.

We actually do this all the time in life. The first two girls I asked out in high school turned me down. I didn't stop and struck gold with the 3rd, who I dated for 2 years. Heck, if the first 20 had turned me down I would have kept trying, altho maybe after changing my mouthwash, anti-perspirant, etc. lol

That quote is only accurate with absolutes: if you keep adding 2+2 in a calculator and yielding 4, assuming you repeat it often enough to eliminate keying errors, you are starting to demonstrate some form of mental trouble if you keep doing this calculation expecting a 5 to result...

Edited, Feb 9th 2019 7:04pm by Sippin

Apples and oranges. You didn't keep doing the same thing over and over. You asked out different girls. The correct analogy would be asking the same girl out for years, after she keeps saying no. Though, to be fair, the same thing wouldn't keep happening. Eventually, she'd get a restraining order against you ;)

No doubt. So I suppose the mob could have been pulled from his spawn spot, for sure. The rule I follow, if possible, is kill every PHer type that lurks anywhere at or near a spot flagged on Magelo. But you're right that Magelo may have extra indicators as the same named could be pulled away from his spawn point.

Good point to make, though.

Finally got Xorla Vor to wrap up Plane of Shadow and as with all Hunter achievements, as much as a zone was fun to explore I'm totally sick and tired of it and don't plan to go back for a long while. Honestly, I don't know if this mob was just a true "special case" rarity, but it's weird that it would be the LAST named I tackled, since its spawn spots are just about the easiest of every named, being right in the corridors to the left and back of Aten Ha Ra and with mobs that are NOT aggressive until attacked. I was clearing the two known PHer spots every time I entered the zone, especially if I was camping nameds deeper in the castle since I'd have to go right past Xorla Vor's known spawn spots. I must have cleared those spots 40 times and killed close to 200 of the Pher mob type.

AFAIK this named is legitimately rarer than other nameds, but I still suspect it was worse for me because I didn't seriously camp him until I was down to 2-3 nameds. Take it for what it's worth but my gut tells me that something related to the camp order affected HOW rare this mob spawned for ME.

Yes, I know someone will comment that since I was killing the Pher every time I entered the zone this contradicts my thesis. But that was one-shot clearing on my way to long camps inside the castle. This just demonstrates the mob IS probably "rarer than typical" for the zone, in my mind.


Edited, Feb 10th 2019 8:30pm by Sippin

Not sure it's related but I've given up on a Permafrost LDoN camp for an ac aug for my warrior because over 30 tries was enough. But that aug is rare and I can believe the RNG is responsible for my run of bad luck. There's also the divine aura clicky from, IIRC, Stoneroot Falls, or maybe an instance of it, where I cleared the entire zone---literally---about 12x but in that case I finally got it to drop.

I may just have bad luck because in all my gameplay I've never seen one of the super-rares that theoretically can drop from any mob in any zone of suitable level. They are individually extremely rare but considering how long I played it's disappointing. I think the best I've seen is a 28-slot bag.