Background: I currently have a level 30 Infiltrator and with the 40 respec coming I want to make sure I’m thinking about this toon correctly. Please feel free to pick apart anything that I say (or miss-speak on from miss-information lol). I’ve done a lot of research online, but want to make sure I have good information from experienced players.
First, I specced my infiltrator Saracen, putting 10 points each into str, dex and quickness. My thought here was that if I went with thrust as my melee style the extra dex would help make up for the lack in str, but I’d gain from the higher dex in evading enemies. (In actuality I specced slash since I’m familiar with the slash styles and plan to respect to thrust at level 40).
Point #1 I need opinions on: I’ve read that the slash styles do more damage than the thrust line, but considering that my toon is a Saracen, should I respec to thrust at 40?
Next, envenom and stealth. From everything I’ve read, these only need to “effectively” be at 50 for maximum use. So I’m planning to take envenom and stealth to about 35, I’ll get +11 from spell crafting my armor and when I hit RR5 (+4) I should get maximum use from these two skills.
Point #2 Is my thinking and information correct on these two items?
CS, DW and Thrust/Slash. Mostly I’m planning on using the Critical Strike styles when attacking, but DW should help a lot with extra hits on my opponent from my left hand. I’m planning on taking CS, DW to about 35, then +11 from sc and the rest from RR5. This should give me similar damage as if I took CS and DW all the way to 50.
Point #3 Should I take either of these to 50 naturally to gain the attack styles associated with them? Or will the styles not matter that much, overall damage will be about the same so stick with my original plan.
Thrust/slash: the nice thing about going to 29 slash is the 29 style (can’t think of it) is an all purpose with no positioning limitations. If I add +11 from sc, then as my RR increases then I should be good only going 29 to slash. Again, I don’t plan to use it much as CS and DW will be my main attack modes.
Point #4 Should I stay with 29 slash or respec to thrust? And if so, how high should I go with it for the best styles?
Thanks for your input.
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Hey Steve,
I'll try to give as much info as I can for you.
First off, if you're Saracen, your damage will be much higher with thrust than it will with slash. Remember: Slash damage = 100% str Thrust damage = 50% str/50% dex
Point #1: Stealth at 35. Trust me, just do it. MoS3 as soon as you can afford it. Envenom at 35+15 will give you lifebane, but I don't think you should put so many points into it because a good infiltrator relies on his styles rather than his poisons to get the job done. 33+15 will give you the highest str/con debuff which is all you need.
A quick tip when you're SC'ing: Instead of wasting imbue points put with +envenom, make a pair of boots and gloves with nothing but +envenom on them. +10 is what you want to get. Before poisoning your blades, put the boots and gloves on, then switch back to your regular armor. This will free up imbue points on your regular armor for more important things like resists, dex, str, con, etc.
Point #2 and #3 and some of #4: Either take CS or take DW to 50 for the associated styles. Pick one, either one. I happen to like the DW line, because the off-hand swings more often, and the front positional "Dual Shadows" is equivalent to the Perforate Artery style and doesn't have to be performed while stealthed. Take your BASE damage to 35 (+11+4=50). While some ppl still believe that you should take base damage as high as possible, after many of my own tests I don't find too much difference in damage from 35+15 than 50 full.
Here's an interesting spec, and what I really think is a great spec: 50 DW, 35 thrust, 35 stealth, 33 envenom, 34 crit strike (You will still have access to both PA and it's followup style Creeping Death), plus the highest Str/con debuff and a higher disease poison.
THrust has a lot of good evade styles, and your evade is based on your high dex. 29 slash is amythest slash, btw. You should be able to get by using your DW styles and the CS style garrote without having to rely on your base damage styles.
Hope that helps. Any other questions, let me know.
Edited, Sun Jan 23 08:23:07 2005 by Azrailis
I'll try to give as much info as I can for you.
First off, if you're Saracen, your damage will be much higher with thrust than it will with slash. Remember: Slash damage = 100% str Thrust damage = 50% str/50% dex
Point #1: Stealth at 35. Trust me, just do it. MoS3 as soon as you can afford it. Envenom at 35+15 will give you lifebane, but I don't think you should put so many points into it because a good infiltrator relies on his styles rather than his poisons to get the job done. 33+15 will give you the highest str/con debuff which is all you need.
A quick tip when you're SC'ing: Instead of wasting imbue points put with +envenom, make a pair of boots and gloves with nothing but +envenom on them. +10 is what you want to get. Before poisoning your blades, put the boots and gloves on, then switch back to your regular armor. This will free up imbue points on your regular armor for more important things like resists, dex, str, con, etc.
Point #2 and #3 and some of #4: Either take CS or take DW to 50 for the associated styles. Pick one, either one. I happen to like the DW line, because the off-hand swings more often, and the front positional "Dual Shadows" is equivalent to the Perforate Artery style and doesn't have to be performed while stealthed. Take your BASE damage to 35 (+11+4=50). While some ppl still believe that you should take base damage as high as possible, after many of my own tests I don't find too much difference in damage from 35+15 than 50 full.
Here's an interesting spec, and what I really think is a great spec: 50 DW, 35 thrust, 35 stealth, 33 envenom, 34 crit strike (You will still have access to both PA and it's followup style Creeping Death), plus the highest Str/con debuff and a higher disease poison.
THrust has a lot of good evade styles, and your evade is based on your high dex. 29 slash is amythest slash, btw. You should be able to get by using your DW styles and the CS style garrote without having to rely on your base damage styles.
Hope that helps. Any other questions, let me know.
Edited, Sun Jan 23 08:23:07 2005 by Azrailis
Thx a ton, i wasn't too far off lol. But thanks for your input, it really helps.
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A quick thought: I'm pretty much going to follow your advise on the spec except I'm probably going to take CS to 50, not DW which you also expressed as a viable spec. What will the benefits be? How will my play on this toon differ if I do this? Strengths and weaknesses?
Also, what Realm abilities look good to you and which should I absolutely stay away from?
Also, what Realm abilities look good to you and which should I absolutely stay away from?
You'll have access to the full Perf Artery chain, which is a pretty awesome combination of styles. You shouldn't find too much variance in your damage, although your off hand won't swing QUITE as much. But I've seen both specs do very well, so I wouldn't worry too much.
RAs:
MOS 3 and Purge 2 as fast as possible
IP 2
Some MOPain
Vanish 1
Those are the ones you want for sure, the others are up to you.
Don't get IP1 until you can afford to go to IP2.
Purge 1 is viable until you saved up enough for purge 2.
Vanish is strictly a "OMG I'm getting pwned, get me outta here" RA.
RAs:
MOS 3 and Purge 2 as fast as possible
IP 2
Some MOPain
Vanish 1
Those are the ones you want for sure, the others are up to you.
Don't get IP1 until you can afford to go to IP2.
Purge 1 is viable until you saved up enough for purge 2.
Vanish is strictly a "OMG I'm getting pwned, get me outta here" RA.
I went thru a Realm Ability calculator and here's where I thought I should end up putting my 100 points:
Aug dex 1
Avoid Magic 1
Master of Pain 2
Master of Stealth 5
Viper 3
Vanish 3
Please comment if these are good choices or if I have some overkill in them, or maybe I missed a RA that I really will need that I'm not currently looking at or don't understand how they'll work. This is my first rogue class toon.
Keep in mind that I'm a Sauren race, and will be respecing to thrust style at 40. I may need to invest in Aug Strength, but wasn't sure. Maybe I could go to Viper 2 only, and spend the extra 15 points on Purge 1 and Aug strength 3. I'm also interested in Second Wind 1 since I'm really chewing thru a ton of endurance if a one-on-one fight lasts a little while, but again I'm not sure how practical it would be in RvR at lev 50 when everyone is grouped. I don't like the thought of not having Purge, it's a lifesaver on my armsman, but not sure if it's "as" needed since the stealth abilities get my infil out of a lot of jams that my arms can't get out of. Please comment.
Aug dex 1
Avoid Magic 1
Master of Pain 2
Master of Stealth 5
Viper 3
Vanish 3
Please comment if these are good choices or if I have some overkill in them, or maybe I missed a RA that I really will need that I'm not currently looking at or don't understand how they'll work. This is my first rogue class toon.
Keep in mind that I'm a Sauren race, and will be respecing to thrust style at 40. I may need to invest in Aug Strength, but wasn't sure. Maybe I could go to Viper 2 only, and spend the extra 15 points on Purge 1 and Aug strength 3. I'm also interested in Second Wind 1 since I'm really chewing thru a ton of endurance if a one-on-one fight lasts a little while, but again I'm not sure how practical it would be in RvR at lev 50 when everyone is grouped. I don't like the thought of not having Purge, it's a lifesaver on my armsman, but not sure if it's "as" needed since the stealth abilities get my infil out of a lot of jams that my arms can't get out of. Please comment.
Purge 2 is a must.
You don't really need to take MoS all the way to 5.
Mos3, Purge 2 at least.
From there it's pretty much up to you. Maybe Vanish 1, IP2.
You don't really need to take MoS all the way to 5.
Mos3, Purge 2 at least.
From there it's pretty much up to you. Maybe Vanish 1, IP2.
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ok, im not reading all of that, but i read point 1, and 2, and both are a yes, u should go saracen/thrust. My infi, Lometur, is going 50 thrust, 35 poison/stealth, 39 CS, and dump the rest into DW, that is a great spec so far. I would get purge 3,MoS3 MoP 2, and Vanish 1. My infi can take down about 2 ppl w/ him (even tho one was a caster who i 2 shotted, and the other was a NS who missed pa, but no matter, i still pwn :) ) but thats what i know, so take my advice if u want it.
Edited, Mon Jul 4 10:28:42 2005 by TwfGlowfist
Edited, Mon Jul 4 10:28:42 2005 by TwfGlowfist
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