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#1 Apr 02 2013 at 8:42 PM Rating: Default

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Yosuke Matsuda wrote:

Due to the radical change of environment, Iâ€™d like to fundamentally review what works and what doesnâ€™t work for our company, then cast all of our resources towards extending what makes us successful and thoroughly squeezing out what doesnâ€™t.

Could Final Fantasy XIV be in trouble?

Read more from Wada's replacement here.

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/04/02/square-enixs-new-president-plans-to-review-the-entire-company/

Square Enix recently reported a 13 billion yen ($138M USD) loss.

Edited, Apr 2nd 2013 10:51pm by Killua125

#2 Apr 02 2013 at 9:06 PM Rating: Excellent

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I swear I can still smell sock in this room and I don't know why. Also I'm pretty sure this was covered in another thread already with comments from Yoshi-P.

Annnnnd, they wouldn't dump so much time and money into this just to scrap it in the beta AHURDURDEDUMBLEDERP.

Edited, Apr 2nd 2013 11:07pm by DamienSScott

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Also I'm pretty sure this was covered in another thread already with comments from Yoshi-P.

Yep, it was.

Considering FFXI is SE's most profitable game ever, I'm certain that SE has no intentions of scaling back on its most ambitious MMORPG to date.

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#4 Apr 02 2013 at 9:10 PM Rating: Excellent

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I knew it.

The game is done. :(

I'll leave my socks and stuffed Mog by the door when I leave.

It's been fun all...

/deleted.

Smiley: rolleyes

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#5 REDACTED, Posted: Apr 02 2013 at 9:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This wasn't covered in another thread. I believe this is the first info we've heard from Wada's replacement.

#6 Apr 02 2013 at 9:20 PM Rating: Good

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/61413-Don-t-panic%21-Yoshida-said-everything-ll-be-all-right-after-Wada-s-resignation?p=983588#post983588

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida
Producer and Director Yoshida here.

I thought I should give some answers ahead of the Producer Letter Live.

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Originally Posted by LitryQuis
I would also like to know whether Wada-san stepping down will have an impact on the development of FFXIV:ARR and future developments.

The plans, stance and structure of the development team will not be affected at all so rest assured. Some have been saying to me "You haven't posted on the forums that much recently, has this news affected you?" but it is simply a matter of me feeling like I'm going to die from the Beta operations being in full swing (hehâ€¦)

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Wada said that FFXIV: ARR will bring back the FF brand, and by just developing without a thought about the profits, I am now worried that what has just happened will have a huge impact. You can say that they have raised their level of perfection and arenâ€™t slacking to avoid the game failing for a second time. But there might be split of the development budget and the billing structure may be affected after the game has been releasedâ€¦ These are just some of the things I had been thinking about.

There will be absolutely no changes to our policy. We will continue to support the whole company and we are working at full speed for the launch of ARR.

You could actually say that the we feel the responsibilities we have with FFXIV:ARR even more, but as the Producer and Director I am well prepared to face this and anything that comes our way, and we will put all our effort into delivering the greatest game to you all.

Please rest assured

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#7 Apr 02 2013 at 9:25 PM Rating: Default

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I've seen that and it's probably true that (for now) the XIV team is unaffected... but that may not be the case when this Matsuda takes over and 'squeezes out' what it isn't working.

He may not have the same patience as Wada when it comes to XIV.

Edited, Apr 2nd 2013 11:25pm by Killua125

#8 Apr 02 2013 at 9:38 PM Rating: Excellent

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I've been in touch with the Community Reps for XIV in LA and none of them were affected by the layoffs today so I would say XIV is safe.

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Everything your saying is certainly possible but, taking all factors into consideration, it just seems very unlikely. Unlikely enough that it kind of feels stupid to even talk about it. Any game or project can fail for about a million reasons at any time. This looks like it actually has a relatively good chance to succeed at this point. It would very unexpected for the new guy to come in and start making cuts to a project like this, at this point in time, just because he's a new guy, and he wants to do stuff. Sure, it's possible, but it just seems like a waste time to sit around worrying about something like this.

This sounds like sensationalist news programing. "What you don't know about FFXIV can kill you"

Good job! Let's give this guy a medal Smiley: lol

#10 Apr 02 2013 at 11:45 PM Rating: Excellent

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Killua, man.. you gotta stop overreacting to crap.

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Yes the new head comes into town and the first thing he does is....cut of the budget for the new most promising game for SE that could be their doom or savior, throws Yoshi out of the window because he doesn't like his face and many more fun things.

Joke aside, as Jonnywolf above me said its stupid to even talk about it at this point. The development for the game wont stop/change now, they are TOO far into beta to do that. Will there be any changes after the game is released? Who knows maybe, maybe not we will see. It all depends how the game will be received from the players.

And to push this thread in the direction that most are, no i do not believe he will decide for a F2P model before the game is released. Smiley: tongue

ps: We did talk about this whole thing if he will affect ARR in another thread.

Edited, Apr 3rd 2013 1:52am by Teravibe

#12 Apr 03 2013 at 12:05 AM Rating: Excellent

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*yawn*

#13 Apr 03 2013 at 2:20 AM Rating: Excellent

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Maybe he will do us all a favor and cut that FFXIII-3 @#$% right out and Asuran Slaps whomever thought it was a good idea.

Maybe he will also have a cast-iron pair and get a reboot of the SaGa or Chrono series going.

Edited, Apr 3rd 2013 4:24am by DamienSScott

#14 Apr 03 2013 at 3:25 AM Rating: Good

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Ryklin the Malevolent wrote:

Killua, man.. you gotta stop overreacting to crap.

This^

And giving up on FF14 now when they promised to finish it, would be the biggest mistake they would ever do.

#15 Apr 03 2013 at 6:12 AM Rating: Excellent

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Doesn't sound too bad:

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/04/03/square-enix-los-angeles-layoff-details-ceo-rumored-to-be-out-by/

Sucks for those let go but they were offered severance at least, that's better than the staff at 38 Studios got Smiley: frown

Other than that it seems like it's your standard corporate restructuring. We went through that where I worked a few years ago, it was pretty terrible. I was in Chicago for training at the time, by the end of the week 3 of the guys I was in training with were packing their stuff and leaving when we were leaving to fly home.

#16 REDACTED, Posted: Apr 03 2013 at 10:02 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That's the thing. There's no real chance of XIV being Square Enix's 'savior', yet it could possibly be their doom.

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There's no real chance of XIV being Square Enix's 'savior'

Depends on what you mean by "savior."

FFXIV certainly has the chance to replace FFXI as the company's most profitable game, especially by sticking with a P2P model and remaining committed to implementing quality content over time.

I'm not sure if FFXIV can save SE's brand recognition -- that will take more time -- but it could be a great first step.

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#18 Apr 03 2013 at 10:46 AM Rating: Excellent

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Killua125 wrote:

Teravibe wrote:

Yes the new head comes into town and the first thing he does is....cut of the budget for the new most promising game for SE that could be their doom or savior, throws Yoshi out of the window because he doesn't like his face and many more fun things.

That's the thing. There's no real chance of XIV being Square Enix's 'savior', yet it could possibly be their doom.

Square Enix's savior will be a big hit new Final Fantasy game, a new Kingdom Hearts title, maybe a console-based Dissidia game, etc. Stuff the general public wants.

In the case of XIV, if it's successful it would be about making back all the money they lost on it... but if it's a failure things could get even worse than they are now.

Edited, Apr 3rd 2013 12:03pm by Killua125

How? By somehow costing them more money than it already has? It goes back to the point that they haven't taken loans from investors to pay for the development, it's already paid for and reflected in their bottom line. A few more months of development on the title isn't going to break their back. I expect some new things in the work will probably be cancelled though, things not as far along in the development life cycle.

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It would be a really weird decision to scrap 14 after spending 2 years revamping it.

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Iâ€™d like to fundamentally review what works and what doesnâ€™t work for our company

This is clearly referencing SE's other titles and decisions:

Poor Sales:
-Sleeping Dogs
-Chaos Rings II
-Quantum Conundrum
-Army Corps of Hell
-Demons' Score

Terrible Decisions:
-Charging insanely high prices for their mobile games ($14.99 in a $1.99 market)
-Not providing any info for western releases of:
Type-0
Bravely Default
Dragon Quest X
FFXII Versus (or any info at all on the last one)
-Deciding to split the sales of the HD remake of FFX and FFX-2 into 2 games for Vita only, while packaging them together for PS3

I think it's safe to say that FFXIV 2.0 is one of the few decisions SE has made in the positive column in the last few years.

Edited, Apr 3rd 2013 12:57pm by Louiscool

#20 REDACTED, Posted: Apr 03 2013 at 10:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well... from a business perspective, so far, FFXIV has been worse of a decision than anything you listed. We should consider that the new president with a background in finance might see it that way. I'm pretty sure FFXIV is Square's biggest blunder of all time.

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Well... from a business perspective, so far, FFXIV has been worse of a decision than anything you listed. We should consider that the new president with a background in finance will see it that way. I'm pretty sure FFXIV is Square's biggest blunder of all time.

Is he Japanese? (He is)

I think you have their new president confused with this guy.

Sticking to their promises, and proving that they won't let their flagship franchises fail is the smartest business move they can make. No amount of money can't buy faithful consumers.

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makes a major profit immediately

Yeah. We know. That's not the game SE is playing, read everyone's responses. Read Yoshi-P's statements. Read something.

XI is their most profitable franchise of all time. It wasn't because of it's stellar box sales, it's because it was never shut off, built a faithful base, and dev costs drop off significantly after the initial investment, creating a profitable system of constant money-printing.

Edited, Apr 3rd 2013 1:05pm by Louiscool

#22 REDACTED, Posted: Apr 03 2013 at 11:05 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That's important, but if it's costing the company too much money and there's no real returns, he will need to do something about that.

#23 Apr 03 2013 at 11:15 AM Rating: Decent

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Louiscool wrote:

It would be a really weird decision to scrap 14 after spending 2 years revamping it.

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Iâ€™d like to fundamentally review what works and what doesnâ€™t work for our company

This is clearly referencing SE's other titles and decisions:

Poor Sales:
-Sleeping Dogs
-Chaos Rings II
-Quantum Conundrum
-Army Corps of Hell
-Demons' Score

Terrible Decisions:
-Charging insanely high prices for their mobile games ($14.99 in a $1.99 market)
-Not providing any info for western releases of:
Type-0
Bravely Default
Dragon Quest X
FFXII Versus (or any info at all on the last one)
-Deciding to split the sales of the HD remake of FFX and FFX-2 into 2 games for Vita only, while packaging them together for PS3

I think it's safe to say that FFXIV 2.0 is one of the few decisions SE has made in the positive column in the last few years.

Edited, Apr 3rd 2013 12:57pm by Louiscool

When you mention Type-0 Do you mean as in not releasing it Stateside ? Because Type-0 Is their best game since they changed their name to Square-Enix

#24 Apr 03 2013 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent

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Killua125 wrote:

Well... from a business perspective, so far, FFXIV has been worse of a decision than anything you listed. We should consider that the new president with a background in finance might see it that way. I'm pretty sure FFXIV is Square's biggest blunder of all time.

Based upon...what? Do you have some magical report that spells out how much SE lost on XIV as well as other games? Do you have a business degree or are you just pulling crap out of thin air? Do you know how many legacy members there were who paid during the part of 1.0 where they were collecting subscription fees?

These are all things you would have to know before making any of the statements I just quoted. You worry about misinformation being out there (see your post on the April Fool's article) yet you spout this crap.

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Killua125 wrote:

Well... from a business perspective, so far, FFXIV has been worse of a decision than anything you listed. We should consider that the new president with a background in finance might see it that way. I'm pretty sure FFXIV is Square's biggest blunder of all time.

Based upon...what? Do you have some magical report that spells out how much SE lost on XIV as well as other games? Do you have a business degree or are you just pulling crap out of thin air? Do you know how many legacy members there were who paid during the part of 1.0 where they were collecting subscription fees?

These are all things you would have to know before making any of the statements I just quoted. You worry about misinformation being out there (see your post on the April Fool's article) yet you spout this crap.

On XIV ? On 1.0 alone around 30-50mil, considering the game was free for up to a year, put a couple mil more on keeping it running w/o any income, put 2.0 development cost on top of that, and considering what Triple A titles cost let alone MMORPGS, you could be looking up to 100-150Mil combined on FFXIV alone, on how many legacy members ? Really ? Considering at release they only had 50K and up to before the payment option came around there was around 10-15K users.... Less than 100K Easily! Come on we have gone thru this before :)

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If I were to take a stab at what might change the most drastically, I would point at their mobile development. All the Bravest was a horrible cash grab attempt (even though I enjoyed it personally, we can call a spade a spade) and most of their other mobile development simply consists of regurgitating old games for outrageous prices. Nostalgia is only going to carry them so far I think, they need some visionaries to take their mobile strategy in a new direction.

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