I don't think this is how it will go, but..
I think it would be interesting if the Scholar stone could be used for EITHER Conj or Thaum and that choice would define which way the Scholar leans. For instance, you'd get the base spells of either the healer or nuker class, and then the Scholar specific spells would enhance whichever role you chose to equip the soul stone on. So you could be a Scholar with Stone/Aero/Heals/etc + Scholar specific spells, or you could be a scholar with Fire/Thunder/etc + Scholar specific spells.
I can't see them attaching it to Arcanist, it just seems too wonky, my money is still on a new class altogether.
- Forums
- Final Fantasy XIV
- General Discussion
- Scholar confirmed!
Scholar confirmed!Follow
If they do come from Arcanist how do you think the weapons will work? Will SMN and SCH use the same books? I don't know if when you change back from job to class that you use the same weapon or not, I didn't play 1.0.
Maybe it's SMN that throw away the books and SCH takes them instead. What if SMN ended up using summoning stones or something like how material contained them in VII.
Maybe it's SMN that throw away the books and SCH takes them instead. What if SMN ended up using summoning stones or something like how material contained them in VII.
Anakte wrote:
I don't think this is how it will go, but..
I think it would be interesting if the Scholar stone could be used for EITHER Conj or Thaum and that choice would define which way the Scholar leans. For instance, you'd get the base spells of either the healer or nuker class, and then the Scholar specific spells would enhance whichever role you chose to equip the soul stone on. So you could be a Scholar with Stone/Aero/Heals/etc + Scholar specific spells, or you could be a scholar with Fire/Thunder/etc + Scholar specific spells.
I can't see them attaching it to Arcanist, it just seems too wonky, my money is still on a new class altogether.
I think it would be interesting if the Scholar stone could be used for EITHER Conj or Thaum and that choice would define which way the Scholar leans. For instance, you'd get the base spells of either the healer or nuker class, and then the Scholar specific spells would enhance whichever role you chose to equip the soul stone on. So you could be a Scholar with Stone/Aero/Heals/etc + Scholar specific spells, or you could be a scholar with Fire/Thunder/etc + Scholar specific spells.
I can't see them attaching it to Arcanist, it just seems too wonky, my money is still on a new class altogether.
That's kind of how the Rune-Keeper in lotro plays. Only instead of just equipping a stone that decides, you decide by the first spell you cast. Then you basically keep building an affinity one way or the other with each subsequent cast until you max out.
Edited, May 31st 2013 10:25am by BartelX
If the Scholar does come from ACN I can just see them making the line "Requirement: ACN SMN SCH" on any book. You equip the book and become an Arcanist, then equip either job stone and the book is legitimate, assuming you want the stats on it. Alternately, some books might say "Requirement: ACN SMN" while others say "Requirement: ACN SCH" But I don't see Scholar being a pet class, and I don't see SE saying 'yeah, here's a pet class, but equip this stone and lose that fundamental aspect of the class.'
Rune-Keeper sounds interesting, never got a chance to play lotro though. Does it 'reset' out of combat?
Rune-Keeper sounds interesting, never got a chance to play lotro though. Does it 'reset' out of combat?
It resets any time you use a spell of the opposite type, or any time you exit combat. It's actually a fairly intuitive system.
That sounds incredibly cool, I could see it working nicely for the dual aspects of a Scholar too. You start casting healing spells and you become a stronger and stronger healer, but the second you cast a nuke, you immediately lose any healer buff you had.
In a related question, jobs are still going to be locked once you enter a dungeon right? I could see the Scholar being a go-to job for instances where maybe the first boss will be healing intensive, but the second boss will have a bunch of adds that need to be dealt with quickly. A flex character in a system where you have to decide the group makeup at the start.
In a related question, jobs are still going to be locked once you enter a dungeon right? I could see the Scholar being a go-to job for instances where maybe the first boss will be healing intensive, but the second boss will have a bunch of adds that need to be dealt with quickly. A flex character in a system where you have to decide the group makeup at the start.
Anakte wrote:
That sounds incredibly cool, I could see it working nicely for the dual aspects of a Scholar too. You start casting healing spells and you become a stronger and stronger healer, but the second you cast a nuke, you immediately lose any healer buff you had.
In a related question, jobs are still going to be locked once you enter a dungeon right? I could see the Scholar being a go-to job for instances where maybe the first boss will be healing intensive, but the second boss will have a bunch of adds that need to be dealt with quickly. A flex character in a system where you have to decide the group makeup at the start.
In a related question, jobs are still going to be locked once you enter a dungeon right? I could see the Scholar being a go-to job for instances where maybe the first boss will be healing intensive, but the second boss will have a bunch of adds that need to be dealt with quickly. A flex character in a system where you have to decide the group makeup at the start.
I agree that it would be an excellent way to make scholar viable as more than just another healer class, or a DD class. Although I think I'd rather have it be one tree of healing and 1 tree of support/debuff type stuff. Since it's a class, it doesn't really need great solo potential, and the game could definitely use a good debuffing and buffing class to go alongside healing.
I'm seeing Arcanist (or) Scholar utilizing all those lost spells from 1.0 that were taken out (albeit a little more balanced)
Dia, Banish, Scourge, Sacrifice, Bio, Poison, Shock Spikes, Stygian Spikes, Resurrect, Slow, etc...
There were plenty of spells that they have programmed in. Well, enough to give it to a new job if they wanted to. And that's not counting Carbuncle's [possible] new abilities.
Edited, May 31st 2013 9:25am by UltKnightGrover
Dia, Banish, Scourge, Sacrifice, Bio, Poison, Shock Spikes, Stygian Spikes, Resurrect, Slow, etc...
There were plenty of spells that they have programmed in. Well, enough to give it to a new job if they wanted to. And that's not counting Carbuncle's [possible] new abilities.
Edited, May 31st 2013 9:25am by UltKnightGrover
In FFIII, Scholar pretty much just had scan and books with different elemental alignments. In the rerelease for the DS, they also gave them the ability to do double damage with elemental items (Fire Bomb, etc.)
It doesn't have a particularly strong history, so there's a lot they could do with it. From the standpoint of a creative director, it's a great way to have your work stand out. When people are comparing the classes from various FF titles a hundred years from now, you'll still have a legacy as the guy who differentiated scholar (of course, assuming that FF doesn't go belly up as a franchise).
It doesn't have a particularly strong history, so there's a lot they could do with it. From the standpoint of a creative director, it's a great way to have your work stand out. When people are comparing the classes from various FF titles a hundred years from now, you'll still have a legacy as the guy who differentiated scholar (of course, assuming that FF doesn't go belly up as a franchise).
meh... I still want Thief
Mostaru wrote:
meh... I still want Thief
Me too, me too... it actually amazes me though how many people want thief. In XI, I remember thief being the redheaded stepchild of DD for most of the game (at least in the eyes of the community, good thfs were pretty much baller from the start).
BartelX wrote:
Mostaru wrote:
meh... I still want Thief
Me too, me too... it actually amazes me though how many people want thief. In XI, I remember thief being the redheaded stepchild of DD for most of the game (at least in the eyes of the community, good thfs were pretty much baller from the start).
Yeah, I don't remember THF being overly popular when I played back before Abyssea came out. The ones that had been around from the start were definitely the richest people I knew of. I'm currently watching the Lodestone forums explode over this topic of SCH being the 9th job. Holding out for Samurai to be released some time down the line.
BartelX wrote:
Mostaru wrote:
meh... I still want Thief
Me too, me too... it actually amazes me though how many people want thief. In XI, I remember thief being the redheaded stepchild of DD for most of the game (at least in the eyes of the community, good thfs were pretty much baller from the start).
Do folks want Thief and would like to see Yoshi put a different spin on the FFXIV: ARR version... or do folks just want a copy/paste of FFXI's Thief?
That goes for any job SE is looking to add.
BTW, FFXIV: ARR is looking pretty darn good to me!
Edit: This isn't an attack or anything, just a thought I had
Edited, Jun 1st 2013 9:44am by jayfly
It's just what we all wanted!
Killua125 wrote:
It's just what we all wanted!
I wondered where you'd been. You've been awfully quiet around these parts.
Quote:
Do folks want Thief and would like to see Yoshi put a different spin on the FFXIV: ARR version... or do folks just want a copy/paste of FFXI's Thief?
That goes for any job SE is looking to add.
That goes for any job SE is looking to add.
I want a modified thf from XI. I'd love to have a highly evasive, position based fighter that has a bunch of stealth abilities. I'd really like to see it be more of a combo melee/ranged fighter that maybe has different stances for different combat styles or something.
I'm just wondering...Has anyone else considered that Scholars could be related to Musketeers? >.>
5 posts
So I was really surprised when scholar was confirmed. But I really don't think that it will branch out from ACN. In the live letter when someone asked about any healers being released, didn't he say that to expect a new class and job that can heal? Also ACN and SMN will be using grimoires correct?? There are tons of names for books that a scholar could use AKA: atlas, codex, compendium, octavo, textbook, tome, treatise, vade mecum.. to name a few that sound really scholarly (thank you thesaurus) Also I don't think I like the idea of one class and two jobs. I also remember reading that they would rather make new weapons for new classes/jobs... I really think SCH will be getting its own class like all the other jobs they just didn't release any info about it. I can't wait to see what they have planned for E3.
Aekotie the Fussy wrote:
I'm just wondering...Has anyone else considered that Scholars could be related to Musketeers? >.>
Wouldn't musketeers use muskets?
Also Merlwyb is a musketeer and somehow I don't see her reading anything anytime soon.
There was some debate on the Lodestone forums pre-SCH confirmation that SCH's base class was MSK. Reasoning being that there was already a Musketeer's guild in Limsa, and it was simply *impossible* for SCH to branch from ACN. Therefore, according to this logic, MSK -> SCH.
Atkascha wrote:
There was some debate on the Lodestone forums pre-SCH confirmation that SCH's base class was MSK. Reasoning being that there was already a Musketeer's guild in Limsa, and it was simply *impossible* for SCH to branch from ACN. Therefore, according to this logic, MSK -> SCH.
Clearly flawless logic there. No need to debate any more.
Yeah, it was ridiculous. I can't believe so many people tried to deny that the character on the box art was SCH when she has the exact same AF as the XI iteration. If it's confirmed that SCH does indeed branch from ACN, more people over there are going to lose it. Some of them can't seem to wrap their minds around this concept. There's that, and the complaint of having levels "handed to us" because job level = class level. 
Logic from some circles also dictated that Arcanist and Summoner use Grimoires (fancy name for books) so Scholar can't use them. I don't see Scholar coming from MSK at all, I see Corsair from it, sure. Yoshi has already said he wants to introduce Jobs without needing to introduce classes, they're only doing Class > Jobs because that's the current system but they're not held by it.
Theonehio wrote:
Logic from some circles also dictated that Arcanist and Summoner use Grimoires (fancy name for books) so Scholar can't use them. I don't see Scholar coming from MSK at all, I see Corsair from it, sure. Yoshi has already said he wants to introduce Jobs without needing to introduce classes, they're only doing Class > Jobs because that's the current system but they're not held by it.
But also, they will only do it if it makes complete and total sense, like Pld and Drk. They wouldn't force a connection between 2 jobs just to not make a new class.
Theonehio wrote:
Logic from some circles also dictated that Arcanist and Summoner use Grimoires (fancy name for books) so Scholar can't use them. I don't see Scholar coming from MSK at all, I see Corsair from it, sure. Yoshi has already said he wants to introduce Jobs without needing to introduce classes, they're only doing Class > Jobs because that's the current system but they're not held by it.
That'd be really stupid considering SCH in XI uses grimoires.
I still suspect it's Arcanist > Scholar and Something Else > Summoner.
Recent Visitors: 57
All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (57)
- Forums
- Final Fantasy XIV
- General Discussion
- Scholar confirmed!
© 2024 Fanbyte LLC