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Like most things in this world, the game has good points and bad, positives and negatives.

Let the proof be in the pudding; before we congratulate FFXIV on toppling anything beyond the meager expectations left from the initial launch of the game, let's wait until it actually does it.

Hey I agree... I'm not saying we have the next sure thing on our hands here. I AM saying we have all the necessary ingredients.

Im only hoping for a console MMORPG that:

a) doenst suck (ie is better than 1.0 was)

b) isnt so lacking of content you get bored of doing the same thing before 12 months is up (dcuo.. which you can do everything in 8 weeks then its just repeating teh same thing over and over for gear)

c) not expecting it to b as good or better than FFXI


ARR looks to fit all those criteria so Im happy with the product

I haven't played beta but I do feel that Boss-Y has taken the game in the correct direction. However, until the game celebrates it's first anniversary, I will most likely refrain from coming to a solid conclusion on whether the game is 'good'. I recall how much changed from the initial JP release of XI in comparison to the NA release 1 year later. That being said, the way that this team has embraced community feedback makes me assume we will see many tweeks and changes far beyond P4. And for the better! That is what makes me continue to be optimistic...

I'm hoping things go well for this game too. But, this isn't the only mmo coming to consoles anymore. All the devs saw what XI did in the console space and have followed suit.
DCUO, Defiance, Dust 514, ESO, Planetside 2, probably others I'm missing.
Then there are the new FPS mmo/whatever you want to call it hybrids coming out such as Destiny.

When Google Fiber gets US saturation. The FPS/Action/Adventure MMO scene is going to bust open faster than a hooker trying to get into a millionaires pants.

And I bet Rockstar is going to re-evaluate their stance on the mmo realm.



Edited, Jun 19th 2013 8:39pm by sandpark

I think that because it has such positives and negatives, and that it invokes such powerful emotions on top of the feeling of that Final Fantasy magic, is why outright expressions of anger or doubt, is being received so negatively. Not just here, but even on the Beta Boards.

People are upset that some of their favored mechanics are gone or altered, and some annoying mechanics are there. But rather than feeding on that frustration and finding venting or even validation on it, we need to focus on creating ideas, a constructive conversation that generates a list of concerns and possible solutions.

Of course, not all concerns or ideas will be followed. But if one thing can be said that has been proven without a doubt - is that issues are being addressed, in detail. If we provide concise feedback, with enough support behind it, they will consider it. And that's the most we can ask, realistically. In the end it is their decisions that create the final product, and our decision whether or not to accept that product as something to subscribe to. They can't please everyone and sometimes, that 'not everyone' applies to our own views or recommendations. When this happens to me, I try to stretch my comfort zone. It does not always work out, but sometimes it does and I feel better for it. In the end that's a decision we all have to make on the individual level.

But what is important is that we respect each other's passion. I've seen an aweful lot of labeling in the Beta test. "Haters" "White Knights" "Trolls" "Fanboi's" - the usual fare. However if we take the time to simply say "Ok, some things don't excite you like they do me. Or some things excite you that don't excite me." And simply let those people who are excited be so, and don't bring one another down, and don't let each other get boiled over - things could go a whole lot better for everyone.

Right now I cant tell the weekend pattern is really hurting the community, even if it is helping the testing. You pit feelings of concern, anger, excitement, along with your typical gaming withdraws symptoms and you've got a powder keg that's going to explode over and over again. And everyone's pretty much exasperated of all the drama.

Even I've blown my temper when I shouldn't have. >.> *ahem*

This is maybe pedantic, but I don't think it should be easy so much as it should be challenging while allowing the player to be successful. If the game is too easy, that will definitely create a poor first impression amongst the most experienced players, who are not only likely to write it off, but to tell their friends and internet audience about it. WoW analytics reported that 75% of their new players didn't even make it past level 10. You've got to hook players right away, and when your audience has a wide range of ability levels, that means you need to have challenges that scale reasonably well from early on.

So in the sense that it shouldn't be too hard, I agree, but I don't think any MMOs are in danger of doing that. Too easy is just as bad, and many MMOs are guilty of it.



You're both right, unfortunately. Many players will decide to quit after a few days. Many will decide to quit after a few months. Some will keep playing after a few months, but most will fall into one of the first two categories. The problem is that both of these types of players are devastating to the game in large numbers. So basically, yeah, you'll have people who will be done with the game after a few days, but just as dangerous to the game are all the people who are already convinced that they love it, only to be tired of the game three months from now. It's easy to make an MMO that's three months of fun--a successful MMO has to be three years of fun for a pretty sizable part of its population.

I don't know why I got sub-defaulted. I hate that feature on this forum...

I don't believe any of you can honestly say that you trudged through a game you didn't like for more than a few days, unless you were being dragged along by friends.

The thing with MMO games is that people quit very quickly if they're not enjoying it. It's not like a single player game where you might say, "I bought it... I might as well finish it." You're never going to finish the MMO, it just goes on and on, so why even bother if you're not having fun?

I think this is one of the problems with ARR. The vague promise that 'things get better' won't encourage everyone to keep going. The fact is that (especially) the early levels of the game are just mind numbingly boring.

Your problem is you just can't accept that people might actually be having fun with this game, regardless of future promises.

You are #12321839210749807549031845901839012839012 in line to complain about karma. Don't PM me when it bites you in the ***, I'm sick of people ******** about the system. Love it or hate it, it is not going anywhere.

Fun is after all a transitory feeling. What is a barrel full of monkeys today can be a barrel full of crap 2 weeks from now... so you're right, the content will have to latch onto us not only today but keep providing a challenge or a deep sense of reward for accomplishments years from now.

Understood and I agree... You know the problem with forums is you can say something and mean it come out one way, yet 80% of the time if you aren't a master of the written word it makes you sound like an a$$hole, even if you didn't mean it to sound that way.

I meant to say, I just feel like people like Killua et al, get rated down before the person even takes a half second to consider the point they're making.

I just think a little prudence can be applied sometimes.

It's not like karma affects anything on a grand scale anyway so a "justification" is probably (almost certainly) not needed. It really just shows who doesn't stir the pot over a LARGE sample of posts , and has mostly nice and happy things to say! No one, and I mean no one who says controversial things, has Guru status karma.

Edit: Also it's not the karma that annoys me, it's that Killuas entirely benign comment gets essentially removed the forum just because people have a grudge with him... Albeit, your point is taken.


Edited, Jun 19th 2013 11:18pm by Parathyroid

Fair enough! Didn't mean to insult you/ZAM by the way, I respect what the mods and all that goes on here... I just want that to be known.