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Lol I can seriously only imagine.

Especially given this has to be one of the most emotionally charged video game franchises that exists.

Edited, Jun 19th 2013 11:37pm by Parathyroid

But isn't that the crux of it? Everyone's different and have different adapting and breaking points. Ideally, you want everyone, even the most casual starter person, to go in, get hooked, and then ease themselves into the more difficult content to stay for the long term.

But where do you draw those lines? I don't think even the best game designers in the world have the answer to that, because of how varied everyone is opinion wise. So, many appeal to the lower common denominators at the start without alienating your core target audiences, and then you keep tweaking your difficulty curve until you find the niche you're comfortable with.

Problem is, most MMO's can't afford that adjustment period. SE, being in a similar business standpoint as Blizzard, can. I'm more than happy to give them that leeway. I'll be honest. I'm having fun. Not only that, but they also have me invested. Why? Because I like Final fantasy, I like the lore, I like the tropes, I like the atmosphere. I'm willing to work with them, especially after seeing what I have so far, to give them that feedback from my own personal perspective. (That they will take with Dalamud-Size chunk-o-salt, but that's to be expected). I'm not going to bother to try to make a statement for the majority - I feel that's rather presumptive of anyone who does, especially if they think it coincides exactly with their views.

Everyone has left or has stuck with a modern MMO for their own reasons, because, honestly, everyone has different thresholds of tolerance, different tastes and ease of enjoyment, and different personal triggers for investment. Everything else is speculation or agreeing/disagreeing with someone else's perspective.

It's two ends of a spectrum. The action genre has been lagging behind the fantasy rpg in the mmo department because of technological constraints. Unaffordable top end pc rigs and crappy internet bandwidth.

Middle tier pcs are very affordable now and with the route the consoles have chosen, they are close to the power of today's middle tier pc build. All that lacks now is global affordable bandwidth.

This is an opportunity for all genres to take games someplace they haven't been before.

Xbox one pulled the trigger hastily trying to force gamers into a non disc based era early. It is coming within the next 5-10 years as huge internet and hardrives become way more affordable.

Traditional fantasy mmorpgs by nature just have way more material to condense, and they have been around for decades. So as a veteran you know when developers are being lazy or padding the gameplay. As MMO/FPS/Action/Adventure games become larger and mainstream. We will probably see them start to simplify things as well.

You're not irritated with the karma system, you're irritated with the hive mind community of this game.


WoW and FFXI both have a lot of soul.

On a side note, Kierk did you ever pick up that project Miata? I like to work on cars too. I have a 350z and an Integra that I tinker on.


Edited, Jun 20th 2013 5:43am by Transmigration

I really don't expect Final Fantasy to be a WoW-killer. In fact, I'm not sure that I really want it to be. With that many players, the odds of having more immature, rude, or cruel type players is high. It's probably a pretty linear ratio to smaller games, but 8 million players will have 8x the amount of jerks that a 1 million player game has (more or less). I'd like to see this game hit a steady 1 million subscribers and keep that number, and I think it's entirely possible.

The combination of FF lore with an engaging storyline, a beautiful world, and some fairly polished and content-heavy systems should tide players over for quite a while. The big issue, like most mmos I've played, will be the endgame. Can they make it compelling enough to keep people interested. Can they make it challenging enough for hardcore players, but still accessible enough to interest the casual fans. I'm very hopeful that there will end up being many different avenues of content at endgame to satiate the different types of players. I think that's kind of what Yoshi is aiming for with stuff like Primal Battles, AF quests, and Relics to satisfy the more casual crowd, and extreme modes and Crystal Tower/Labyrinth of Bahamut for the more hardcore (not to mention PvP if it's done well).

I know I'm already invested for the long haul. I'm sick of jumping from MMO to MMO hoping it will be the next big thing. So far, this game has all the elements to satisfy me for a long time, and I have a lot of faith that Yoshi-P will keep adding to that as time goes by, based on what I've seen so far from him.

Edited, Jun 20th 2013 9:18am by BartelX

You are not a snowflake.

The reason everything you post is auto-defaulted and (i'm guessing) not a small percentage of the population here have you on ignore is because of things like what you just posted.

You just stated that you're not rude, then went on to bash everyone else in the forum who doesn't have the same opinion as you.

Grow up.

I'm reading what you wrote. I'm posting my opinion of it.

Could someone explain this to me? I've seen Killua posting a lot. I've never seen him be rude to someone. A voice of dissent, surely, but usually only with a baffled response to the ratedowns and vitriol that follow some valid criticisms. To me it seems to be:

Killua: Lots of criticism.
Others: Stop criticizing the game. And you're wrong because X.
Killua: Just my opinion. And what about Y?
Others: Ratecamp.

In fact, unless I've just missed some blow-ups, Killua seems to have an almost saint-like patience for all the crap people heap on him.

I really don't give a **** about karma in general, but this particular case seems to stick in my craw as an example of pointless and juvenile antagonism. You guys are actually compelling me to rate him up, which I should NEVER have to do.

Killua: Makes another criticism.
Others: You are not a snowflake/grow up.
Others: You shat on everyone's enjoyment. Secret troll, etc.

Seriously, you guys really just can't ignore his opinions if you disagree? You're in total white knight mode and don't even realize it.

I still would consider myself in 'skeptical' territory, because I still care enough to browse information about the game and post on forums.

I was looking forward to this beta test and I admit that I was disappointed. I like some aspects of the game, but I was stunned that the combat was not changed whatsoever (on the player's side) after the massive amount of feedback they have received.

I really don't like the way TP works, and how little TP matters, and I don't like how the bulk of the combat just revolves around slight pauses in button mashes as you wait for the GCD to end.

I realized that if the combat is this way now, with the release date planned for August, it's probably going to remain more or less the same. So, that resulted in a very "upset" post following the opening of phase 3, which didn't really include the things I do like.

I have a friend who is playing on the PS3 version. He's not even much of a Final Fantasy fan, but he likes the game. I am not saying that it's impossible for people to not like this game... but people seem to think that's what I'm saying. I'm just one person, so you don't have to care so much that one guy doesn't like the game.


Edited, Jun 20th 2013 9:51am by Killua125

Obviously I realize that I'm defending Killua. Do you need a refresher course on what white knighting is?

Probably, I'm nowhere near as good as you at it.