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Screenshot or this didn't happen.

Seriously, I've run all the group content in the beta, as a whm. I'll be DAMNED if they could have done it without me.

And I did play WoW, and you can get to max level without a healer. There's never a required dungeon on your way to cap. The level 15 dungeon bosses adhere to your "add more adds" formula, but not the later ones.

For example, the second dungeon in Gridania (forget the name) has a boss that shoots out poisonous pods among the battlefield that explode and poison you if you get too close. You need to avoid them and have a ranged character destroy them while focusing on the boss. The slime mini-boss in Copperbell requires you to have a member push a lever to spawn Bomb enemies and then NOT kill them, but let them blow up on the slime to break it into smaller slimes.

If you don't run out of the bomb range, you die, also. Then spriggans start spawning that specifically attack the bombs so that they won't blow up.

I never got involved in WoW in any hardcore manner, no. But you are the only person I've ever seen refer to WoW as "hard."

Edited, Jun 30th 2013 8:06am by Louiscool

You guys know this game came out and failed once already... Don't know why people saying it hasn't come out or still in beta. They seem to forget the disaster that happened as if it was a different game.

Fine... nothing to see here

Edited, Jun 30th 2013 10:19am by Parathyroid

Wow are you playing the same game I am? I am loving FFXIV: ARR so far, I'm having the opposite problem, I can't put it down!

I played version 1.0 for a short while, it is a different game completely.

I hate to go off topic here but it has to be said.

Ostia your comparison is far from fair. What you (and someone else after you) are referring to are RAIDS (10man+ content). How you can compare a 4man dungeon to a 10+ man raid is absolutely laughable. Yes the hardest of the hard RAIDS in WoW are pretty darn hard but we're not referring to end game raids we're referring to low level dungeons. Now if you compare the low level 4man dungeons in ARR we've seen so far in the beta to low level 5man dungeons in WoW then we can at least make a comparison. So far from tanking with my MRD I've noticed that there isn't much of a difficulty difference OVERALL between the lower level dungeons of the 2 games, but ARR does test you with MECHANICS much earlier than WoW. In WoW you can "faceroll" you're way through any lower level dungeon and come out on top. I've played WoW since the addition of Naxx to the game back in patch 1.11, and it's gotten incredibly easy in the low levels to the point that I dread making new characters because I know I'm in for pure boredom until level cap. In WoW you can ignore most of the mechanics until you get near level cap, from what I've experienced in ARR you get combat mechanic experience in the first what, 2 hours of the game? I've loved FFXI, WoW, and my time so far in ARR beta, but my time is definitely done with FFXI (played since NA release, enjoyed abyssea but I'm done with it) and WoW (played since 1.11, absolutely HATE the direction the game and Blizzard are both headed in general).

S/N: I forgot who it was but to whoever was talking about 600 attempts at a boss, I must must must must stress the fact that they are end-game RAID bosses that require 10/25 people to complete and are the Heroic/Hardmode versions of the encounters. I'll also share a secret that many people don't realize when they talk about attempts at a boss. Many of the top guilds will do LOTS of dry runs before they even waste consumables as otherwise they're just wasting time/currency. They call for a wipe if the mechanics arent done properly as its faster to wipe now rather than to wipe another 5 mins into the fight because you're down a dps, a healer, or tank because of failed mechanics and have to start all over. That way they can also practice the mechanics to get each part down 1 segment at a time. Once they feel they've gotten a mechanic down they progress to the next mechanic and so forth until they feel they can do the whole fight with as little error as possible and as quickly as possible. They also do this to make subsequent farm runs easier.

The amount of misinformation in some of the posts I've seen in this thread is staggering. I'm sure there's a lot more I missed but these just really stood out.

Edited, Jun 30th 2013 11:49am by Seraphknight777

In THE Ostia's (as he shall henceforth be referred to as ) defense, he was attacking the idea that level 60 WoW raids are comparable to level 20 XIV raids... It is not him who made that comparison.

I agree, Seraph. Thank you. I enjoy sound logic.

I've got 2 words for you...

40-man raids.

I used hardmode instances because they are a recent example. That doesn't mean that there was never any challenge or high level of coordination in WoW prior to that point.



I don't think it's that people expect it but rather, they want that from their game and they will look elsewhere to find it. People tend to be more willing to sacrifice for the sake of convenience. Whether or not people wind up sticking with XIV will depend on how much they want to sacrifice for whatever XIV brings to the table that other games don't.

The comparison of optional or mandatory has no bearing. It was a response to WoW's content not being hard. It really didn't even have to be a comparison to be honest and where it was, it was compared to XI which is more established than WoW.



Thing is, unless your BLM don't know how to sleep something or your tanks and off-tanks don't know how to kite, it really isn't much of an issue. For the vast majority of FFXI HNM, you can give a detailed strategy for an entire alliance in just a single sentence. Any other knowledge needed was all gained from reading the chat log.

No, I read the thread. He may have accused Ostia of something he didn't do, but the point he was trying to make is very valid in terms of some of the complaints I've seen in these forums. It may not apply to Ostia, but it still applies.

seriously a classy post, and for its subject matter that is legendarily unique. and i understand how you feel, but let me just put these out there, receive it however:
have you been reading quests? good cohesive story. Its beta, not even final beta, therefore I'd suggest playing at least 1 month of live if money isn't the issue to see the final product and just be certain you have made the right choice. I've been playing mmorpgs too long and it has been a long time since i've been genuinly excited to start my next avatar if you will. Either way best of luck to you, class act.



one thing i do enjoy about my beta experience so far is i realized there are some 'pros' and there are some people who are inexperienced with mmo's but came for dat fantasy. and typing this i realize wow has a large age difference in some of its players, but ffxiv the margin has the chance to be even wilder. no good or bad, just interesting.

as far as mr rinsui, i would not say the full t word for u. ur skills are weak, your bridge is neither long nor deep. i hope you name your character Fail Hater.

That's why I'm excited to come back to the FF community. I've played a lot of MMOs since I left FFXI, and I must say that this community is the most mature. Sure there are some exceptions, but overall much more class in this community.

Edited, Jun 30th 2013 8:34pm by PhrozenFFXI

WHOA WHOA WHOA!

Let's get it straight here. I said that I got to level 60 and didn't encounter anything even resembling a challenge. I never compared the instanced dungeons in WoW (which I did NONE of except maybe one cave in the Barrens..) to the level 20 dungeons, (of which I found relatively challenging but forgiving).

The first dungeons in beta are challenging for new players, but give PLENTY of time to die over and over and still get a win. They are EXACTLY what the game needs to attract new players. The agony of defeat and the thrill of overcoming it.

We, and that is my friend and 2 other legacy players, cleared all three. In the first dungeon we had 1 death. The second, 2. The third, the tank and the mrd died on the mini boss, while I cure bombed the archer who tanked 9 slimes. Then we wiped 2 times on the final boss.

Still, we ended the final dungeon with 40 minutes to spare.

Hard? Eh. More that I am a bad Whm. (was too busy taking screenshots :D)

Forgiving? Absolutely.
Fun? Hell yes.