help with bonus pointsFollow

I've only seen it on btn so far, but I can confirm that the dex check randomly occurs when harvesting trees, but an int check randomly occurs when harvesting from lush vegetation (secondary tool). I'm interested in trying out miner soon so I can get some info on that class as well.

Yes, these random events are unlocked via the Tree Whisperer traits, but the only 2 core stats that apply to TW are dex and int. The other 2 are obviously gathering and perception, but they aren't relevant to the point allocation system.

Yeah, my friend mentioned STR affecting Mining in this same manner.

Since the thread is about allocating bonus points, this is probably all academic. For example, you don't have to worry about whether you should distribute bonus points as THM to INT for magic damage or DEX for botany since those bonus points only affect you when you're THM.

I did a bit of mining last night, but not enough to unlock the traits that are the miner equivalent of Tree Whisperer (I forgot the name). I was assuming that the traits would be str and mind, so I'm glad that this has been confirmed. Now I am especially curious about how fishing will work. It would be weird if they used vit and pie, but who knows if fishing will even be remotely similar to mining and botany.

I haven't paid attention when switching classes, but when playing cnj I've put all my points into mnd. Do those points carry over to other classes that I switch to, or are those points only added to when I'm on my cnj?

Unless I'm missing something, that's kind of disappointing. What's the point of bonus points if they don't stick with you for each class? As a cnj, I don't feel like there is much choice with my bonus points. It's either mnd or pie, and I chose mnd. I just think it would be cool if it carried over when I decided to go with another healing class and have a little boost because I'm already an experienced healer.

But do my points carry over from cnj to mrd, along with the points I'll get while lvl'ing mrd?

Then I guess that's kind of my point. Why have bonus points if it only makes sense to really put them into one, maybe two stats that don't carry over to any other class when you switch?

And no, the mnd might not be that great when I switch to lnc to lvl it. But it sure would be great when I switch to another healing class.

I feel like, along with the racial choice, the bonus points don't really mean much as far as giving you something to think about when choosing or allocating. It would have been nice, but I'll get over it. I'll just throw those points into mnd for cnj/whm, and let the only real difference from other people be gear.

The zero thought thing may be true for some of the classes but not all of them. Take ARC for instance. Would it be better to raise DEX and increase your damage early on, or would it be better to increase PIE for longer lasting songs as BRD? Similarly, tanks can decide whether they want more HP or higher damage. I think you'll start seeing more options as more jobs get released.

Right now, only two classes are limited to one choice as far as party play goes–LNC and PGL. GLA and MRD can choose between STR, VIT, and to a lesser extent DEX. CNJ has MND and PIE, THM has INT and PIE, and ARC has DEX and PIE. With ACN, you'll likely have a choice between INT, MND, and PIE. For solo play, VIT is an option for every class. So while the game isn't as customizable as you might like, cookie cutter probably isn't the best way to describe it.

I do agree that it would be nice to have more options to play with, but I don't think that will make individual characters all that different. If SE decides they want more original builds, introducing more cross class abilities would be the way to go.

I know what you mean, but even a choice of 2 options for most classes doesn't seem all that interesting. I'd just like an open-ended system where you have a lot of options instead of being forced into very few. As a DD, it's a completely pointless system to me, and since there are a fair amount of DD players out there, it is really limiting to a decent chunk of the playerbase. Heck, once jobs are active, most THM are going to stack INT for the damage bonus over PIE (since MP isn't a huge issue and ethers are easily crafted/consumable once per minute). Same for CON, most will probably just cap MND. Tanks are the only ones that really have a choice, and even that is quite limiting. I doubt many tanks will be putting a lot into DEX, since it only effects parry and block rate, whereas STR increases both damage and block mitigation amounts, and VIT increases max HP pretty substantially at higher levels.

Really I just want more options.

If BLMs were typically in danger of taking such AoE damage every fight, then a Galka BLM would have won out on average damage over the long run. However, not every fight included single target or AoE moves that did sufficiently high damage to one shot BLMs. And some fights would have TP moves that potent, but proper hate management and positioning would mitigate the risks of BLMs getting hit.

Manawall also had the potential to change things quite a bit. When Manawall was up, every 2 points of damage would deduct one point of MP first. That means that Manawall would make a Taru BLM more survivable than a Galka BLM, since a Taru's deeper MP pool would allow that player to absorb more damage than a Galka's deeper HP pool.


I think a conclusion like that glosses over the impact of simply killing stuff faster. It's easy to eyeball cases where a player managed to survive with single digit HP. What's harder to gauge is the impact over time of being able to kill mobs faster. Killing mobs faster means you run less risk of your healers running out of MP, or for the fight to turn sour when the mob unexpectedly does multiple consecutive crits followed by a nasty TP move.

You also shouldn't discount the amount of time saved in the long term for even safe fights. Death is something you can recover from. It just costs you time. It's easy to tell when you've lost time due to deaths because a run failed. But it's difficult to gauge over the long term how much more time was spent with successful runs that took longer because the DDs invested in HP over stats that would help their damage.

In general, survivability stats are probably what players are going to go for if they plan to do most of their group play through duty finder or pick up groups, and they don't completely trust random strangers. If you plan to do most group content with a static or end game shell, and you trust the healers, tanks, and other members in general, then DD boosting stats probably make more sense.