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Thats good to know! I just feel Gladiator will be funner to play (for me that is) since there is more options of abilities and abilities from all the other classes you can chose from,

One question, can you use abilities from any other class as long as its the right level, could i have Blood bath and Second wind on my gladiator? or is it can only use abilities from one other class?

Yeah, most people agree with you. Maybe they will change it because if they release new jobs and you already have it capped, that would be stupid.

But for now, I tested it in beta: if you equip your job stone at level 50, you're still level 50, etc.

Im sorry but practice makes perfect, i hope they change that, for me its the fact that i dont get to level paladin 30-50 i feel ripped off from the experience of leveling that job. So far what iv seen im not too sold on the jobs ill just stay playing the classes they seemed a bit more fine tooned and customizable.

I would feel ripped off from that as well. I actually enjoy leveling new classes/jobs, and progressing through the levels learning new abilities. I don't want to just attach some gem and then *poof* my job is endgame ready. Do we actually know how they are handling this? I don't remember reading anything about being able to attach a job gem that you just unlocked on your lvl 50 class, and now you're lvl 50 job. I figured it would work that if you waited until lvl 50 class to unlock the job, it would still start the job off at lvl 30?

It works like this. Get GLD (30) and CNJ (15). Do quest to unlock PLD. You can now equip PLD job gem. HOWEVER, you still need to do JOB quests every few levels to unlock the JOB specific abilities. In essence, your GLD lvl = PLD lvl. I know some people don't like how the system works, but nothing is stopping you from being that specific Job or Class at all times. Especially while soloing or having a premade group. They may change it somewhere down the line, but for now they have it balanced to where you use Classes + mix and match abilities for solo/lowman or anywhere you need a diverse toolbox. The Jobs are more specialized and are probably not mandatory for anything except the harder endgame fights. I kinda hope they change it somewhere down the line, because as of now it goes over too many people's heads. I understood it once I saw a quick diagram and it's actually pretty simple but the initial thought for most people is "wtf??"

Does gladiator play completely different from paladin? If not then why would you feel ripped off from the experience of leveling that job?
I'm an adventurer(citizen), solo or light skirmishes I throw on my light attire(classes), when the big battles come I throw on my heavy duty gear(job) and play my single role. From my understanding you do not just attach a gem and poof it's capped. You have job quests for gear and skills you have to do.

Imagine every class/job needing to be leveled from level one to cap. This is what happens if Paladin and Gladiator, (even though they play pretty similar) get separate levels. It will create a rift between players the solo/low man versus the full party group. Because if the game is balanced right, no class should ever be the preferred choice over a job in a specific role. And no job should be able to solo or be as rounded as a class. In essence, it will split the playerbase and change the concept of leveling on how you feel to do that.

If you do not see jobs standing out from classes in terms of potency in their strengths, then they need to be balanced to be so. There isn't much to be confused about. If SE wants to make it more clear they can add that text explaining the difference between jobs and classes easily in game. As the game development progresses we will probably see the potency from jobs become more apparent in a single role.

That's fine having job quests for gear and skills, but once I unlock a job I don't want it to be automatically lvl 50 just because I waited until lvl 50 gladiator to do so. I would like the leveling experience from at least lvl 30 pld so that I can get a feel for how the job works before I hit 50 with it.

That might not be how it works, I don't know as I'm not a 1.0 player and since they have not allowed jobs in beta. Maybe my reading comprehension sucks, but from what I'm gathering whatever level your gladiator is your paladin is as well. I just think it should be separated a bit. I'm not asking to go from lvl 1 on up, but at the very least start me out at lvl 30 once I unlock the job no matter what level my class is.

Jobs are still better for solo though.

I think one of the problems you saw in a game like FFXI with its job system was that each job was either highly specialized or highly generalized and most weren't useful for all occasions. A few jobs that beat this trend and were generalized except for one stand-out special ability you couldn't live without, such as Red Mage or Ninja, were considered overpowered.

You couldn't really solo well as a White Mage. It's specialized in healing and was only called for in intense situations such as endgame fights. But you could solo as a Red Mage since it was generalized and could fight decently, even if the job could also heal fairly well.

So the system in FFXIV, where you level the Conjurer class and unlock the White Mage job, is sort of like leveling Red Mage in FFXI and getting White Mage for free. In situations where you need to be a healing specialist, you can wear the White Mage hat and heal exceptionally well. But for all other occasions, you can wear the Red Mage (Conjurer) hat and not be sidelined as a White Mage who can't do much except extreme healing.

Can i get an example, everyone keeps telling me that jobs are better party play, how?? Do you guys look at all the abilities you can get? How is Jump better for end game parties then blood for blood? Dragoonfire dive is a 10 min recast for 250 dmg, Chaos thrust is 2.5 recast for 100 dmg , so longer cooldowns = better end game lol?? Im not seeing it at all, so please let me get some examples on how jobs have the upper hand in party play?

My stance is every class or job will be fine at any role you wish to play, at any point in the game, it just boils down to how you wanna play.

Well, we haven't seen every Job ability just yet, but either way the job retains all its class abilities but gets more

Edited, Jul 10th 2013 12:31pm by boredenough

My understandimg is that jobs augment the role your class plays in a group. THM is primarily magic damage dealing. But it's a class so you can give yourself healimg and support abilities you learned as a CNJ. Remember the role of THM is primarily magic damage though. When you equip the Black Mage stone it cuts off skills you learned as a CNJ but gives you a bigger spell list of....magic damage spells... So now your ability to deal magic damage has been focused and you lost the ability to heal and support in favor of increased ability to deal magic damage. That is how it augments the class.

Now, GLA is a tanking class. You equip the Paladin stone and you gain abilities that will help you tank. As CNJ you equip the White Mage job stone and you gain abilities that help you heal. You see where this is going.

I want to say jobs have better stats than classes for the kind of role they are made to play. Then there's job specific gear too. Remember there are powerful abilities only available as a job.

If you're after raw data numbers from comparisons between an ability from a class and a comparable ability from a job, I can't help you there as I dont run a parser or understand the meta-data on the battle system well enough. Feel free to do this yourself though, you seem like you really want to know and it would be of interest to the community.

Iv never heard that, so the jobs get there abilities and all the abilities of there class? So paladin still gets all the gladiator abilties that are above level 30?