Duty Finder and Dungeons: Part 2Follow

Part 2 of Ragar's impressions.

http://ffxiv.zam.com/story.html?story=32695

Probably because it wasn't me writing it

He also accepted them as primarily personal negatives. He acknowledged he was in a new-player area and that the higher level stuff caught his interest.

Personally, I like the scaling of the content. Yes, the beginning stuff seems a bit simple for me, but I feel the same way in acknowledging it's for beginners. Having the advantage of a level 50's perspective on it and being able to jump into different content right away to see the contrast.

Exactly! He brought some good points, and some others that he says are personal for him, and that's Good!

A bigger problem here is that even if you could queue up for multiple roles, you would be stuck only being able to "need" on the gear of the job you end up going as.

So, if I were trying to level lancer as my main job, I'd have no incentive to queue up as a conjurer as a backup option, because then I'd be stuck lotting on conjurer gear.

I actually brought this up in the official feedback forum a few days ago. Seemed like 50 percent of people who replied thought it was a good idea, 25 percent thought it was bad, and the other 25 percent just didn't understand.

I really really like your idea, but here is what i think the major problem is as far as the Duty Finder would be concerned, if you allow anybody to loot any gear for classes they have unlocked, you will run into problems, the Duty Finder is for casual players mostly, who are probably running their first character, the system already allows you to use "Greed" to obtain gear, for your off job etc Etc. Now if they allow anybody to use "Need" since technically each character can be any class, the system will be Abused! Since unlocking a class is as easy as visiting a city, talk to a NPC and that is It!

Now there are solutions to the problem, you can voice your concern to the party once you join the DF, or you can run a LS/FC group that will have no problem conceding the gear to you, since you are helping them clear content by being another class than the one you would be running.

I think you should be able to designate which class you want to "need" for, and you'd be stuck "greeding" on anything else.

This would potentially create more competition for certain items, but at the same time, rounding up parties would be easier and faster for everyone. Also, nobody would have to feel penalized for switching to more necessary classes/jobs in order to get things rolling.

Just my two cents though. I'll manage with whatever we've got.



This is true! And if FFXIV's community is half as good as what FFXI's used to be, then reputation among players WILL matter.

Edited, Jul 11th 2013 6:04pm by Thayos

I wonder if anyone has suggested using a similar system for loot as how they handle items dug up for Gathering?

Maybe it's not quite as "immersive" as having to distribute what they found in the "treasure box" but it would lead to a lot less arguing over who gets what.

Rather than a static loot list of drops that you have to haggle over among everyone in the group, everyone gets their own little selection menu of everything they could get along with the percentage chance that they will actually get it. If there's a super-rare 1% drop, everyone selects that, and everyone rolls a 1 out of 100, they all get the super rare drop (hey, it's better odds than winning the lottery). Or they can choose a safer, less amazing, but more frequent regular drop so they don't walk away empty handed. The choice is up to each individual and not limited to what class they have leveled.

They can make an informed choice of what to "roll" for, and if they don't get it, they have no one but themselves (or SE) to blame. But at least there's no ugly drama wars among friends this way.

You should only be able to roll need for what you brought. Not everyone levels multiple jobs, and to lose out on something they need because the healer decided he might someday want to use it is ********* plain and simple.

I believe I misunderstood you.

That is unfortunately the way it's set up to keep it fair. Apparently SE doesn't have the technology yet to have the game scan jobs/classes before loot drops, so they're forced to have it setup for whatever you queue up as. A MNK should NOT be able to roll need on a WHM staff, but a guy who queued up as MNK and switched to WHM to help the group after the healer dropped should.

(Am I in the 25% that doesn't understand still, or is this basically it?)

I just don't want healers rolling on dps and vice versa. It's not fair to queue as a healer for instant dungeons and then roll need on the dps gear. People do that in WoW to gear up their other specs and it's @#%^ed up.

Edited, Jul 12th 2013 5:01am by Transmigration

Yeah I think for casuals things like this might be a problem. But at endgame with a LS or Company, with multiple level 50s this stuff will be worked out accordingly among the groups.

Also this is probably trivial but even at my early level I've used drops in the dungeons I was running. It might be insignificant but every little bit helps.

In the end I don't mind the system as it is. SE has no real incentive to allow people more equal access to gear.

SE wants people to run though content over and over again.

Lastly to Thayos' point, you should be playing the job you want to play. And you should be in a LS that doesn't make you heal every time just because you have a high level CON. That seems more like peer pressure.

DDs do have an inherently harder time to get the good gear but that's always going to be the case.


But at early levels with the DF and the fact that you're only in a pt of 4 drops are actually pretty decent.

Sorry I'm all over the place but in the end I don't mind the system as it is, and really think it would be in SEs best interest to leave this same system for loot in place; because this is one of the time sinks for being a hardcore player.

This is the concept I'm after. I just wish it could be expanded for people who would rather queue up as healers so that forming parties wouldn't take so long. I believe it was Wint's writeup that said he stood around for nearly 20 minutes queue'd up as a DD, and didn't get an invite... but when he changed to a healing job, he got invited right away.

A way around this might be:

1) Queue up as the job you want to play as.
2) The player is then asked for any other job he could come as, to expedite the party process (the player does not have to select any other jobs he'd be willing to come as).
3) The DF considers all of the job alternatives, and attempts to place the player in a party according to his primary job choice... but alternative jobs are called for if needed.
4) The player can only "need" on the gear that corresponds with his selected primary job, which was the job he wanted to play most as in the dungeon.

That's almost like my original idea, but actually much better.... because it still emphasizes the "primary job" above all else, assuming there are players currently looking for parties as other roles.

And, goodbye 20-minute wait times!

Edited, Jul 12th 2013 8:42am by Thayos

Edited, Jul 12th 2013 8:43am by Thayos

Well, people who really want to play as DPS wouldn't have to select any "backup jobs" they could come as.

So, really, there wouldn't be an issue. You could still play as a DPS, if you're willing to wait longer.

EDIT (on my post, this time): I made some edits to my post above while you were writing your reply.

Edited, Jul 12th 2013 9:17am by Thayos