Interesting Dungeon RunFollow

Soooo. I just did Halatali for the first time. The makeup was 2 THM a MRD and me as CNJ. Guess who tanked the whole dungeon? That's right....one of the THMs. I'm not even kidding. Zero wipes. And I got a really neat staff off the last boss. The THM didn't even give the MRD a chance and the MRD never did anything but a few skills and auto attacks.

I really think they need to look at dungeon difficulty/challenge or whatever.

In one of his more recent interviews. Yoshi may have said that is working as intended. That's a level 15 raid right? At that level, there shouldn't be too much need for a GLA tank. Now, if you can complete it without a healer... then... lol...

Yeah it's the 4th.

Level 20-23

While I definitely think the leveling dungeons don't need to get any easier than they are now, I'd also point out that they ARE leveling dungeons. They aren't meant to be difficult.

The difficult stuff happens at endgame in raids.

Now, that being said, if the endgame raids are as easy as the leveling dungeon, complaint totally valid.

I'll just put this here because I don't want to create a new thread:

I joined a Copperbell party as a lancer. It was me, an archer and a conjurer.

We had 20 mins left and needed to beat the slime and the last gigas.

We went for it. No tank, just us three.

Since I've ran Copperbell as a GLD I knew what to do. I told them and the archer kited the slimes, and I took care of the bomb and spriggans.

We passed that pretty easily.

We died on some trash mobs, but made it to the gigas.

I told them I'd tank the gigas and for the archer to take care of the adds. Everything was going great when I saw there were too many adds and they were going after the CON. The gigas was down to litterally a sliver of health, the archer was barely alive...

I died! Then saw the screen go black...to a cutscene of the boss dying!

It was pretty epic. More importantly it was fun.

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I think the level of difficulty is fine up to 20. Considering you have to pass these to progress, they can't be overly difficult. The game is teaching you things in order to prepare for endgame; things like communication, hate management, etc. I'd think the endgame, which none of us have seen, will be the (not surprisingly) hardest content.

Should there be a heroic mode for some of these dungeons....yeah I think so. But really I think the early dungeons are fine.

Who says MMORPG leveling needs to be easy (monotonous)?

Hey let's be reasonable here, no one from the "make-it-harder" camp is saying anything about making these dungeons so hard that it takes an above average player to beat them. What we are saying is that I wouldn't mind getting wiped against a boss every now and then because the fight required a little bit of planning and technique.

Honestly, these dungeons lock off content.

Like the Auction House.

And Mounts.

Why the hell should they not be easy for people who know how to play?

Edit:

Yes, the Auction House. You cannot sell anything on the Marketplace without a retainer, and the retainer is obtained via this string of missions. So explain to me why it would be smart to make it harder?

Edited, Jul 13th 2013 12:34pm by Pawkeshup

I agree with this too, though. It's REALLY hard to judge a game's difficulty by a level 25 instance. 1.0 was soloable all the way to Deus-Ex Machina, and then without warning you got your *** handed to you and realized you needed a party suddenly. I think they are tryign to avoid this sudden spike with a gradual one to ease you into it.

I would expect the difficulty to ramp up around 45-50, followed by much harder content that requires item levels beyond 50 to complete, followed by a level cap increase with even harder content.

Well anyone who is a reasonable person isn't saying anything about making the beginning dungeons epic... In fact, personally I'm not even talking about the first 3 dungeons. Realistically though, you should absolutely have some challenge associated with dungeons by time you're level 23. You've done 3 dungeons multiple times each at that point. If someone gets scared away because they get wiped once in a while in the 4th dungeon, then maybe they just aren't good at dealing with defeat??? Seems more like a personality issue than a game design flaw.

Again, let me be clear here... I'm not suggesting making the opening dungeons more difficult, but once you're in your 20s there should be at least SOME threat of dying once in a while. Instead we literally waltz through the dungeons with our HP never falling below 75%.

There has to be some happy medium.

Edited, Jul 13th 2013 5:03pm by ClydesShadow

I agree with that for sure.

Just curious, can you name me another game that has challenging dungeons by level 23? I was trying to think of one, and the only thing that really came to mind was lotro with the Great Barrows instance. And even that isn't so much difficult as it is long. Most games don't have challenging content at low levels. Heck, WoW dungeons are all pretty easy until you hit 60ish, and even after that most of the ones in the dungeon finder are still incredibly straightforward. They have other content that is very challenging for sure, and I think ARR will too, such as hardmode and extreme primal fights, AF quests, relics, etc. I really don't think a dungeon at level 23 needs to be all that difficult. Make it fun, make the bosses have some cool mechanics, and make the dungeon itself interesting and unique, and that's good enough for me.

I definitely agree with that.. I was watching my CNJ's mp while I was punching things and it never really went anywhere; except for those times when the tank got distracted by a butterfly and I ended up tanking two mobs at once as a pugilist.. and even then, the guy kept me up.



Going to assume you meant HP there.. and yeah, if you're an experienced MMO player (which is what I expect beta players to be, by and large) you're going to sleep through the dungeons because they're nothing special. But do believe me when I say that a neophyte player is going to have a learning curve when it comes to working in a party and dealing with mechanics. Now imagine a party of those. 4 guys who are playing their first MMO. They'll be challenged by this level of content, without it feeling like punishment.

Where the starter dungeons are right now is about right for a person at that level of skill and experience.

Unfortunately I haven't done any of the other dungeons, so I can't speak to their difficulty, but I expect them to be more difficult as they go up in level, growing appropriately with the player's own power.