Scholar v. White MageFollow

I am fairly sure that it will be an effective healer on its own.

Worst case scenario, I think, high level dungeons will require both White Mage and Scholar.

SCH should have Raise from cross-classing. I doubt Cure II or III will be available to them, but I'm sure they will have reasonable alternatives.

With regards to high level raids, I think it will end up depending on the party size. In the 8-man dungeons, you should probably be able to get away with having only one healer type. In the 24-man dungeons, I would expect to use a combination of the two. Everything should be able to be completed using just one type, but the most efficient setup should contain both.

Edited, Jul 25th 2013 3:23pm by FrozenSherbet

For me it really dont matter which is better because I will have both thats the joy of the class/job system. Lvl cnj and arcanist to 50 and you will always have the healer people need.

Like other MMO's its best to have a pure healer and a hot healer in the group for high end events. One for burst dmg control and one to keep people alive in the middle of dmg . I hope they implement this correct :)

I like the idea of SCH helping out with HoT for the general party while WHMs focus on the tank. I found that on CNJ in beta, I only let the party HP fall behind when I suddenly had to devote energy away from the tank. This wasn't such a big deal in XI since WHM had access to HoT with Regen. I tried to avoid Medica on CNJ after serious drilling to not use Curaga I/II/etc in XI to avoid pulling hate. I found that after I stopped being afraid to use it, and Stoneskin came into play to keep on the DDs, curing became much more manageable.

That's like comparing a WoW holy priest with a resto druid. The answer is "they perform acceptably against each other while having their own flavor and mechanics to differentiate gameplay".

That's the one thing I'm really glad Yoshi gets about modern day mmos. If you're favorite class is SCH, you should be able to play SCH and do your job effectively. I have faith that the class will have a spell list that is adequate while being different enough from WHM to be noticeable.

I greatly enjoyed the hax Lifebloom rolling period in a Druid's raiding life.

Lifebloom, Dance, Lifebloom, Dance, Collect loot.

Scholar Pet Abilities

Fairy (2 forms, support and healer)
-Whispering Dawn: AoE regen around pet. Potency 100 for 21s. 30s recast.
-Embrace (both forms): 300 potency cure.
-Silent Dawn: Silences for 1s. 40s recast.
-Fey Glow: Increases Spell speed around pet by 30% for 30s. 60s Recast. Cant use at same time as Fey Light.
-Fey Covenant: Increases Magic Defense around fairy by 20% for 20s. Recast 2m
-Fey Light: Increases skill speed around pet by 30% for 30s. 60s Recast. Cant use at same time as Fey Glow.
-Fey Illumination: Increases Cure magic potency around pet by 20% for 20s. Recast 2m.

This was from an earlier post today. Thought it might help.

Yes, the abilities look great, I'm just worried if WHM will always be preferred as a Healer if one slot is only available.

WHM honestly should be always preferred (there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.) SCH is more of a support than a main healer, basically, for the real ****, you'll want both in your group, if you only plan to do the 4 man throwaway dungeons, then well, yeah you can use either/or but given how Arcanist and Scholar is setup, you'll want SCH support for the WHM.

In FFXI that makes sense because white mages have nothing to fall back on besides healing while scholars are multi talented.

But FFXIV is a different animal. Every class and job should fit in one of three roles: healer, damage, and tank. While there can be variations (e. g. Gladiators are great at tanking a single mega-boss while Warriors specialize in tanking multiple opponents) they should be adequate to perform their assigned function in their own way. There's no room for lol jobs in this game.

In other words, if white mages are always preferred for every healing situation, then there's something wrong with scholars.

Considering end-game involves two tanks and two healers in a Full party of 8, there is no point in making these debates on which job is better.

I want to say you're trolling, but considering your posts the past few months it's about par for the course so I'll just assume you're blind and can't read and compare.

They get:

• Resurrection at level 22, which is 10 levels higher than WHM but also doesn't have the built-in "doesn't work in combat" restriction (WHM's comes off at level 28).
• A 300 potency cure which is granted 100 potency less than a WHM's but it also has a built-in cureskin (Afflatus Solace/what the damn thing is from other MMOs/etc.) that is for the full amount of the heal and if the heal crits it's *twice* the amount of the heal. All in all this makes the actual cures a 600 potency that splits into re-active and pro-active healing (and that's the absolute *best* kind as a healer) -- and this is BEFORE it crits. Superior, by far.
• A 150 potency AoE cure that's only 50 less than Medica II and it also gives off a shield on the target equal to the amount cured. Again, you're looking at really a 300 potency AoE heal (stronger than a WHM's already) that, once again, is BEFORE it crits. WHM's Medica II tacks on a 100 potency Regen that may be decent but will ultimately end up being a wash between the shield and the regen. Equal here.
• A copy of Esuna, except that Scholar's can't proc the next one to be free (big deal...). WHM wins only due to the proc chance to make it free.
• Has the ability to put up a ground targetted ability that reduces the damage taken by anyone who enters by 10% for 15 seconds (30 second cooldown), which also has a chance to make the AoE heal free to cast. WHM has *NOTHING* like this, SCH win.
• An instant heal for 20% of a target's health during Aetherflow (and considering everything seems to be built up on that I'd expect a high uptime on it). The best WHM has is Stoneskin which is only really nice for the pull. I imagine cost will be prohibitive (like stoneskin is) to prevent spamming of this. Equal.

So, a single target heal, an AoE heal, a raise, a status removal ability, and the ability to reduce damage on potentially the entire group if need be on a short cooldown, and finally an instant heal that's % based if needed for emergencies. This isn't taking into considering their fairy companion either as that could also help alleviate healing woes (I honestly sincerely doubt this but we will see).

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So....what is it exactly that WHM has that SCH doesn't?

Regen? Regen heals for absolute sh*t amounts because they're afraid to buff it back to 1.0 amounts where it healed more than you could cure in a period of time. Regen was recently buffed to 150 potency (I guess in an attempt to make it somewhat useful), but that's still more of a single target thing.

Benediction? Sure, nice in an "OH SH--" moment but if it comes down to that you've potentially lost the fight anyway (whereas the shields from Scholar could have prevent someone dipping that low to begin with).

No, what I see is basically the difference between a TBC/WotLK Holy Priest (White Mage) and a Disc Priest (Scholar). One is aimed at reacting to damage and the other is aimed at being proactive with shields. Both are literally equal when it comes down to total damage taken and healed, and that's honestly how it should be.

Scholar is *HARDLY* "a support" role. That list of abilities shows it's built to heal and do it damned well.

No, if anything, looking at the toolkits and how they heal I laugh because White Mage now heals like SCH did (has the highest Regen spell, chance to proc free spells = stratagem charges) and Scholar as the WHM (S H I E L D S). Remember that once Afflatus Solace came into play WHM blew everyone else away

Edited, Aug 2nd 2013 9:14pm by Viertel

Healing threat will only be an issue at the start of a pull. 1 point healed is 0.5 points of threat, and in a group X threat generated by a heal is split amongst Y targets. As long as you get one or two Flashes/Overpowers it's virtually impossible for the healers to pull off of you (unless they're nuking as Stone had some WEIRD threat going on in P3).

Plus, from what they've managed to figure out Flash's threat is based off of the weapon damage, STR, and Determination of the tank so it'll scale with level to keep up the pace with bigger heals. Once you double that with the threat stance at level 40 (which is a 2x multiplier) it makes healing threat even more a non-issue in a fight. In the event there's a throat stab/threat wiping move there's always Provoke (unlike FFXI's this one sets up to highest enmity +1) so it's fairly easy to keep it off of the healers.

This is all with a Gladiator tank, obviously. A Marauder can cross Flash if they want and virtually ensure threat's his, and slot Provoke as well for threat wiping moves to get back up quickly. Healer threat looks to be a non-issue to anyone that reads their tooltips.


Edited, Aug 2nd 2013 11:18pm by Viertel