Do you want DRG to have a Wyvern pet in ARR?
| Yes : |    | 68 (54.0%) |
| No: | | 58 (46.0%) |
| Total: | 126 |
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[Poll] Should Dragoon have a pet wyvern in ARR?Follow
I was wondering if this has been answered yet... and what everybody's opinions were about why they would (or would not) like to have wyverns in FFXIV: ARR.
I voted Yes... I actually would love to see Wyvern's in ARR... but mainly because it's cool, I mean who wouldn't want to have a pet Wyvern?
Now I realize there are some downsides to having a pet wyvern too... What reasons do you have for why you voted the way you did?
Now I realize there are some downsides to having a pet wyvern too... What reasons do you have for why you voted the way you did?
The synergy between the Dragoon and his/her wyvern was one of the coolest concepts in FFXI. They shouldn't have done away with it.
Transmigration wrote:
The synergy between the Dragoon and his/her wyvern was one of the coolest concepts in FFXI. They shouldn't have done away with it.
So are you saying that they definitely will not have Wyverns?
I was unaware of that... I hope they'll reconsider.
I voted No for a couple reasons:
1. I think DRG wyverns should remain exclusive to XI. We don't need to see them shoehorned into XIV just because XI has them.
1a. XI is the only Final Fantasy title where DRG had a pet wyvern. No other FF game has a Dragoon/Lancer class with pets.
2. I think DRG (as an advanced job for LNC) has enough to worry about with positioning and dealing damage that a wyvern would just get in the way.
1. I think DRG wyverns should remain exclusive to XI. We don't need to see them shoehorned into XIV just because XI has them.
1a. XI is the only Final Fantasy title where DRG had a pet wyvern. No other FF game has a Dragoon/Lancer class with pets.
2. I think DRG (as an advanced job for LNC) has enough to worry about with positioning and dealing damage that a wyvern would just get in the way.
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Wyverns for Dragoons should just be a FFXI thing. I voted no.
It seems they're going for more of a FFIV approach to Dragoon with emphasis on the actual attacks and being the spike damage dealer without worrying about pets or adjusting them to fit. Arcanist/Scholar/Summoner is going to be the pet class if you would like to play that.
Edited, Jul 31st 2013 10:14am by UltKnightGrover
It seems they're going for more of a FFIV approach to Dragoon with emphasis on the actual attacks and being the spike damage dealer without worrying about pets or adjusting them to fit. Arcanist/Scholar/Summoner is going to be the pet class if you would like to play that.
Edited, Jul 31st 2013 10:14am by UltKnightGrover
It won't kill me if it doesn't ever happen, but I have fond memories of my wyvern Oboro and the adventures we shared. I think it would have happened before now if it was going to be implemented.
It would give the job DRG something snazzy to separate it from lancer though(aside from just different attacks). Just thinking out loud.
It would give the job DRG something snazzy to separate it from lancer though(aside from just different attacks). Just thinking out loud.
The DRG Wyvern in FFXI also operated mainly on the subjob of its owner. FFXIV would have to have completely new system for that because of the lack of such, not to mention that Wyverns would need to be better AI when it comes to not stupidly dying in things like primal battles and dungeon runs.
I always thought the pair was kind of weird. A Dragoon uses aerial combat to kill dragons. A wyvern is a dragon isn't it?
Edited, Jul 31st 2013 1:39pm by ScrapTower
Edited, Jul 31st 2013 1:39pm by ScrapTower
ScrapTower wrote:
A wyvern is a dragon isn't it?
Dragon: European four legs + two wings. These are the older among their fellows, going all the way down to the youngest (whelps). They are large, cunning, greedy, and generally malevolent (though there are a few good ones).
Drake: A younger dragon, consider it the teenage version of a dragon. Still hasn't found a stronghold yet, so it wanders the wilderness in search of a good place to roost and of course mates. Not as intelligence as the dragons, but a few already show the signs of being like their older cousins.
Wyrm: An eastern style serpentine dragon, the oldest form of this type of dragon. Can be aquatic if necessary. Smarter than Dragons, and more benevolent. Trend towards Neutral alignments.
Wyvern: It only has two legs, the other two are actually wings. More primitive and stupid than dragons and wyrms, though they can be just as destructive.
Edited, Jul 31st 2013 1:49pm by lolgaxe
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Mostly I'm waiting and hoping for DRK to become available with the pet: Big Honking Scythe.
I voted no as well... reason being i to think it should stay exclusive to XI considering no other FF has done this before... it was a cool concept for the DRG in XI but i think it needs to stay where it was created... mainly for the creators piece of mind ;P
Nice Concept. But just put it as an in game Minion.
I voted yes because of the fond memories of days gone past where me and my wyvern had many adventures together when I wasn't playing as a WHM. On the flip side, I do understand the point of veiw of the people who point out that the only game dragoons have ever had them was FFXI. That doesn't change the fact that I would like to have one again.
I definitely hope so, I Loved my Wyvern in FFXI. What's a Dragoon without a dragon?
CaptainTowers wrote:
Nice Concept. But just put it as an in game Minion.
I also voted no. I feel that having a Wyvern would then make DRG overall performance be based around the fact that its always available.
Also the above quote I think is the coolest way to handle the idea. :)
Lorielll wrote:
What's a Dragoon without a dragon?
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
lolgaxe wrote:
Lorielll wrote:
What's a Dragoon without a dragon?
If we're going the literal approach... an "o".
I voted YES to DRG's having a wyvern pet, but that doesn't mean SE has to ***** up game balance here. Let the wyvern be a vanity pet that mimics the DRG. We already have these vanity pets anyways, so where's the harm.
Be careful, you keep asking for a pet and they will give you a literal, "pet" and not a death bringing dragon to fight by your side.
Pet jobs and myself tend not to jive. In XI's case for DRG, the wyvern had its issue in dying a lot and, short of times where you could get away with healing breath spam, was probably the weakest of the actual pets. And that last point tends to segue into my frustration toward pet jobs as often the masters aren't pleased in the balance department until they're practically running around as two fully powered PCs. It's an issue I just feel better avoided despite XI's "unique" take on DRG. So, a no vote from me. :(
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I loved soloing with DRG and my wyvern in FFXI.
Ironically soloing against single mobs for XP in ARR is really less efficient than it was in FFXI, so, the wyvern kinda loses its luster there.
And in PTs, the wyvern did die a lot by AoEs and adds. It did add some nice DoT but parties didn't really "see" that.
So although I'd love to have a wyvern for nostalgia's sake (and uniqueness), I can see that it's just not necessary.
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In the end, DRG still has jump (which is more important) and personally DRG is my 2nd or 3rd favorite class, behind THF or NIN so there's that. :)
Ironically soloing against single mobs for XP in ARR is really less efficient than it was in FFXI, so, the wyvern kinda loses its luster there.
And in PTs, the wyvern did die a lot by AoEs and adds. It did add some nice DoT but parties didn't really "see" that.
So although I'd love to have a wyvern for nostalgia's sake (and uniqueness), I can see that it's just not necessary.
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In the end, DRG still has jump (which is more important) and personally DRG is my 2nd or 3rd favorite class, behind THF or NIN so there's that. :)
Seriha wrote:
And that last point tends to segue into my frustration toward pet jobs as often the masters aren't pleased in the balance department until they're practically running around as two fully powered PCs. It's an issue I just feel better avoided despite XI's "unique" take on DRG. So, a no vote from me. :(
Would you be cool with a vanity pet that mimics the look of the wyvern, but doesn't ruin the balance of the class? Considering all I see are vanity pets roaming Phase 3, I'd be shocked to hear anyone actual disagree with me on this.
I was once like you until I heard Yoshi-P's explanation.
Basically, do you want to deal less dmg? I like the Wyvernless drg, and I like the FFXI iteration.
Edited, Jul 31st 2013 3:32pm by Louiscool
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/14967-Translations-%28JP-to-English%29?p=427830&highlight=dragoon+wyvern#post427830 wrote:
F: really want to know this but will there be wyvern for dragoon?
Y: At overseas interview when I answered this I asked this as questions since you're having it there as a pet, we have to balance out as both set so by having a pet your main character will do lower damage and the pet also damaging.
But I understand what they mean from dragoon's poitn of view, so we're looking to stuff like being able to jump and when coming down calling a dragon or something which will be possible with 2.0's system
Y: At overseas interview when I answered this I asked this as questions since you're having it there as a pet, we have to balance out as both set so by having a pet your main character will do lower damage and the pet also damaging.
But I understand what they mean from dragoon's poitn of view, so we're looking to stuff like being able to jump and when coming down calling a dragon or something which will be possible with 2.0's system
Basically, do you want to deal less dmg? I like the Wyvernless drg, and I like the FFXI iteration.
Edited, Jul 31st 2013 3:32pm by Louiscool
ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
Seriha wrote:
And that last point tends to segue into my frustration toward pet jobs as often the masters aren't pleased in the balance department until they're practically running around as two fully powered PCs. It's an issue I just feel better avoided despite XI's "unique" take on DRG. So, a no vote from me. :(
Would you be cool with a vanity pet that mimics the look of the wyvern, but doesn't ruin the balance of the class? Considering all I see are vanity pets roaming Phase 3, I'd be shocked to hear anyone actual disagree with me on this.
Vanity is one thing. Combat capable just invites the balance nightmare.
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Adding it as a kind of animation for a high-level skill seems OK, but the people (including me) that want it as a battle companion enjoy having it for soloing mostly.
What if you could only call it when you are soloing? It could do no/very-little damage but still act as a tank for you.
Instead of dealing damage, it could be a kind of follower that casts your self-buffs for you.
At any rate, I think this ship has sailed for FFXIV and it's just not going to be a main part of the class.
Edited, Jul 31st 2013 4:55pm by Gnu
What if you could only call it when you are soloing? It could do no/very-little damage but still act as a tank for you.
Instead of dealing damage, it could be a kind of follower that casts your self-buffs for you.
At any rate, I think this ship has sailed for FFXIV and it's just not going to be a main part of the class.
Edited, Jul 31st 2013 4:55pm by Gnu
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