So now that FFXI may be dying soon..Follow

I never said it was better .. Where did I say that?

Honestly people on the forums now a days need to learn some respect and look at other people views instead of thinking there is the only way and being so closed minded.. Want to seem intelligent start by seeing things through other people eyes instead of trying to bully or force your opinions on other people. Forum culture has gotten so bad with people thinking they know everything and their opinion is the only thing that matters.

MY point is what is fun to someone might seems repetitive to another and what another thinks is repetitive someone else likes so why not offer a variety. I dont see anything wrong with that.

Have to agree with @sylons

Nashred you are complaining about doing the same dungeons over and over again, for starters I would like to know what do you mean by doing the same ones? I have not had to repeat dungeons so much since hitting relic. Doing the same dungeon in the hope of that 1 drop, so far I am 0/6 on copperbell hard and 0/5 on snowcloak.

For EXP well, I never had to do any Dungeon more than 3 times till I was able to do the next one. Once everything is unlocked, you have access to dailies levelling up isn't exactly slow. In the time it takes me to level all my jobs (which I am done now) I didn't feel I was grinding so much. That variation of different dungeons, with different people and every run isn't exactly the same.

By Grinding EXP which you want back? I assume you mean similar to Crawlers nest and spending 6 hours killing the exact same mob over and over again?

What @sylons doesn't understand and me too, you are complaining about Dungeon grind ***** yet you want back the more grind machine that was in XI? It doesn't make sense.

I also don't understand how you are complaining about the way Sylon is putting his posts when you seem to be very griped up about the way he doesn't agree with you. If SE adds something like a grinding zone which would have to be apart of the new Expansion pack but in all honesty I don't see it happening. Even though many kinda enjoyed the grind in XI, it was still one of the most heavily complained about things in the game. Although I see your point about adding something that may make a few people happy, problem is - is it worth the turn over for SE to spend a lot of Dev time on it?

They have built the new expansion with plenty of new dungeons (they have already shown that info) to add plenty of mobs, improved spawn times, not effect DF, make it so its an option not better than a dungeon - this is a heavy handed task.

I actually wouldn't mind it being added but as I said, it cant effect DF because DPS already at times can wait average of 20 minutes. It's a bit like PVP queues, they made alterations to allow it to get going quicker my game time average Queue has gone from 50 minutes to 30 minutes average regardless of job I queue with.

In todays world grind fest of 100s of mobs, sitting in the same spot hours on end... I don't see it happening and unless 100's of people start asking for it. I really don't see it being on SE's radar.

^^ This. +1.

This is why I'm glad the grind pt is gone. Sure, DD ques can be fairly long at times, but it has nothing on waiting hours with your flag up to find a group--especially if your job wasn't the flavor of the month.

With ffxiv, you have other exp options while waiting for that que to pop. Hunts, leves, fates, and quests fill the gaps between que times, which is a good thing when you're just trying to squeeze in some time. If I have 30 or 40 minutes to kill before work, I can chase a few fates or hunts, or maybe knock out some leves. Not so much in ffxi.

I never understood their reasoning to slow it down. Sure the population has dwindled, that being said, the population that's there is extremely dedicated and still forking over good $$$. I had re-subbed for a few months last year and it was great. If I do re-sub to any MMO again it'll probably be XI.

And ya, XV is a money pit that's not looking overly impressive (in terms of actual game play.) Graphics are nice, but it's lacking detail and everything seems very bland.

Edited, Apr 10th 2016 4:33pm by Montsegurnephcreep

It's Japanese, only translations I know of is here: https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/128401-Famitsu-Interview-Final-Fantasy-XI-Vana%E2%80%99Diel%E2%80%99s-15th-Year

As for the data, it was their progress report in November, the hit to the playerbase and lower than expected interest between HW Release and November 2015 was actually significant (from a business stand point), losing 300k people (including their subs) is nothing to laugh at, which was detailed in their actual report. not the PR side of things (which still to this day, state there's 5 millions PLAYERS.)

As for slowing it down, it's for XIV's sake, they moved too many developers off of XI and with XI losing access to a lot of dev kits, they couldn't do as much without basically moving it to the PC which takes time and money, that they clearly wouldn't dedicate, because yoshi even states they don't have the resources to do much with XIV. DQX is doing fine for what it because of the gameplay but that slowed down as well.

Erm..no. Losing 300,000+ subs between 3.0 - 3.1 gap isn't an opinion, that's quite the loss when your product's overall gross is built around said monthly subs more so than the single sales on digital/hard copy sales (which is what the report was stating under performed). Like I said, the reason Yoshida was upset the president released that XIV info back in november was because no one, business or otherwise likes that kind info to be let out. It's no secret he normally dances around those questions. It doesn't matter if they were "singing praises recently", that doesn't erase the impact the 5 month delay had on the game overall.

And again, even in their recent videos they stated there's 5 million players. but I just guess you buy more into PR talk than you realize, then again being in the industry, I've seen everything from both sides of the coin so I'm not surprised.



Nope, there's actually a lot of new information, that's why they clarified their statement because I assure you, this recent update didn't simply introduce "story and lore quests"..it introduced an entirely new content concept. They just went more in depth on their thoughts, the only information we had prior was major updates would be at an end but they can easily introduce new content in the monthly update cycle, just full blown expansions is very unlikely unless SE starts shelling out the money and man power it needs, but based on what they have in the works doesn't even seem like they need much.

Also:



Remember how people, including yourself (I seen you post this on the OF before) state that those forums or really any forum community represents only a "small portion" of the playerbase? However the only time that's said is when someone brings up criticism, but when it's nothing but praises...that suddenly changes.

Edited, Apr 10th 2016 7:44pm by Theonehio

Either I misunderstood you and you agree that HW is profitable, or you're moving the goal posts.

Earlier, you said:



What you seem to be implying here -- and perhaps this isn't what you meant -- is that Heavensward isn't profitable, and that SE is needing to find profits elsewhere to make up for HW's shortcomings.

By all evidence, that statement (if that's what you meant) is false. SE has repeatedly cited the strong performance of FFXIV for its growing financial success, and that includes post-HW financial updates (including one from just a couple months ago).

It's true that FFXIV lost subs during that long content delay, but it's not true to say HW isn't profitable.

It's also true that subscriber levels ebb and flow in this game with content patches. And just from playing the game regularly (and paying attention to the forums) it is clear that not only have many people come back (which is normal), but also the game continues to pick up new players.

It's also true that the playerbase response to the most recent patch was extremely positive. I only mentioned the OFs because you often cite them as a basis for what players care about (like when you recently asserted that most people only care about glamor). But the response was equally positive in game (FC and even pickup groups), social media, and on other sites/blogs. The most negative reception I've seen was on this forum, and that's only because of you and Filth (and only you regularly play the game, lord knows why).



I swear, you seem more stuck on this than anyone else.

And like Callinon said, SE often references "accounts" or "registered accounts" when citing this number. Such as here: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/24d3c419fae62ce2771b4b0b7d01c6348ab5d5e5



I read through the first couple large sections of that interview you linked, and what I read from that was the dev team saying, "We've been cut, and there's nothing we can do about that, but we're going to do the best we can on story/battle updates."

This fits in perfectly with what I saw two or three months ago, when the dev team explained the game would have no more massive content updates, but they'd continue to work on small quests on NPCs and whatnot to keep Vana'diel feeling alive.

That said, I admit I could have missed something here, and I'd genuinely love to read where they talk about this new content concept. If you wouldn't mind linking or pasting what you're referencing here, that would be much appreciated.

In fact, I might just log into XI tonight for the first time since December.

EDIT: Also, Hio, I just hopped over to ZAM's XI forum looking for info on the new story concept you're referencing, and I found a couple places where you say (within the past several days) that nothing appears to be changing because of the small size of the dev team/resources... which is exactly what I said, and you disagreed. So what's going on?

Edited, Apr 10th 2016 8:39pm by Thayos

Square-Enix’s fiscal results for the last three-quarters of 2015 are in, and it’s good news all around. Net sales were up almost 30% year-over-year, resulting in profits boosted by a nearly quarter compared to 2014.
The company attributed its success to multiple franchises and console launches. MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV is named twice as a strong performer.

“During the nine-month period ended December 31, 2015, sales of character goods derived from the Group’s own IPs increased, primarily thanks to the release of the first expansion disc of FINAL FANTASY XIV.”

“Revenues from operation and expansion disc sales of massively multiplayer online role playing games such as FINAL FANTASY XIV and DRAGON QUEST X are sustaining their strong performances.”

This was posted in Feb. 2016, so I think it's doing fine. Unless it's bled that many players since December 2015.

XIV losing large numbers of players doesn't matter that much since most of the money it makes is from the cash shop anyway, players beg for new cosmetics to be added. It's a dress up simulator, which explains the state of the official forums and why everything is about graphics and cosmetics.

FFXIV has a cash shop that rivals almost any f2p game, that gets more optional item updates than actual content updates, that has a playerbase desperate to throw money at them for more and begging to get maid outfits and chinese exclusives. The majority of the mmorpg industry gives you the game for free and makes profits from cash shop cosmetics alone.

You need proof that dresses, pets, mounts and hairstyles make more money than a subscription 10 years out of date?

Whales are what keep these games profitable, you can lose large numbers of subscribers and still be profitable with a few thousand big spenders.

Whether you think it's good or bad, it is what it is and if nothing else it will keep the game profitable and alive.