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For people who enjoy endgame raiding.

To the majority of players who can't complete those raids -- usually because they are unable to commit to statics -- there are superior options for endgame that could easily be implemented into the game. Something build from the Diadem's infrastructure could take that mantle if SE can get its head out of its ***.

It's impossible for SE to ever do something better? That cannot ever be done?

If I had unlimited playtime, then I'm sure I could memorize the scripts and clear the hardcore raids. However, I don't have unlimited play time, and that's the case for most 30+ gamers who have jobs, families and social lives.

Do you honestly think SE (or any game developer) should design MMOs for the small sliver of people who have NOTHING ELSE to do with their time? Seriously... 2003 called and wants its players back. Do you realize how few people would play that game in this day and age?

If you happen to have unlimited time to play, then good for you! Honestly, I don't envy you -- I gladly put gaming behind my wife, my family, my friends, my career and my fitness. As for the limited game time I do have, I'm not going to waste it beating my head against a wall in a pickup party. Seeing as how I actually play the game, I have first-hand knowledge about how much more difficult these raids become when doing them with pickup parties. My time is too valuable to throw myself at something in such an inefficient manner.



Only if you take it out of context.



Edited, Jan 3rd 2016 7:40pm by Thayos

You misunderstood what I was trying to say, but I don't think that's your fault... I should have elaborated.

I'll explain more thoroughly here:

As I stated earlier, I was actually in a static for a few months last year during a stretch when I had more free time. We usually ran three or four nights per week, and each night took usually took one of two trajectories:

1) Everyone showed up and we made good progress.

Or:

2) One or two people couldn't make it, and we'd have to grab pickup members... and on these nights, we NEVER made progress. The entire night was wasted trying to get the replacement members caught up.

Of course, this isn't because all the FFXIV gamers are inept; this is because SE has designed these fights so heavily on memorization that player skill is virtually irrelevant. Winning is all about memorization and just getting the timing down. If you can memorize, you can win. However, even the most skilled player can't just walk into a fight and win, because that player won't yet know the mechanics. These fights literally take lots of repetition no matter who you are.

So whenever you have people in a pickup party -- or even mostly the same group with just one or two new people -- you're only going to get as far as the person with the least amount of experience, because that person won't yet have later parts of the fights memorized.

If you want to raid in FFXIV, you can choose one of two ways to do it:

1) Form a static, and enjoy decent (or good) progress during most nights that you run.

or:

2) Do pickup parties, and be constantly held back by less-experienced players, rendering most attempts as progress as complete wastes of time.

It's possible to get lucky and get clears with Option 2, but for me, that's a HUGE gamble to take with my limited playtime. It's such a big gamble, in fact, that I see that as a nonsensical use of time. I'm simply not going to do that.

If I had as much time now as I did 10 years ago, then I might still be a hardcore raider. But after a certain age, those extra hours of selfish free time just went away, and I doubt they'll ever come back... and I'm OK with that.

No, I cannot make that choice. At least I can't realistically make that choice.

I'd have to either neglect my wife, let my fitness go by the wayside, take on less work or see less of my friends in order to spend more dedicated time in a video game.

I mean, I see what you're saying... I could make that choice, just like I could choose to max out all of my credit cards on cookie dough. But why on earth would I do that? In my mind, that's not a choice. It's a bad idea.

This ain't 2003. As much as some folks may yearn for more old-school games, developers can't just make games that require second-job dedication and expect people to want to play them. The raids in FFXIV all but require spending multiple nights per week in a static, akin to the time you'd spend in a part-time job. That's why they're so unpopular among the playerbase. It's not because people don't want to raid, but they don't have the time to commit to THESE raids. We're grown up and busy.



While I'm not a huge fan of the team jump rope mechanics, I did actually enjoy the times when my entire static showed up and we were able to work on progress without needlessly wasting time. So yeah, I enjoy FFXIV's raids. I just don't have time for them.

That's one of the reasons I'm a big fan of Alexander Story Mode. At least that gives me the feeling of raiding, even if it's way easier.

Considering it's been 2 years and their excuses (we have no staff, no funding and servers aren't stable enough to do x) (and CEO statement as of November 2015: http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/library/docs/151106/page01.html ) it's very unlikely they'll be able to do something better. Unless XIV magically gets the resources, development staff and yoshi finally decides it's ok to gate story content, we're in for a really bumpy ride.



It's primarily an NA/EU thing. Japanese players seem to have no issues doing PUG or even trying to do content with other people. You only hear "You need a static to do harder content" from NA/EU players and like I said, MOST of my clears on content INCLUDING savage alexander has been pickups. The only static I ever had were on Sargatanas and that's because whenever you find people capable of doing content, you tend to want to play with them more (which is what a static is..usually doing stuff with the same people) but it is far from required.

Despite popular belief, you can indeed do the content if you CHOOSE to do it. If you play the game longer than an hour an week, there's nothing preventing you from trying to do all of the content in the game besides your own ability or because you don't want attempt to, which based on the time I spent on Balmung and Sarga, I honestly don't blame someone CHOOSING not to do it.

But please, realize it's a choice, otherwise me stating that I don't Lords of Verminion or Triple Triad you could use the same logic and say: "You just don't have a static to the content." Because that's literally what it sounds like. Coil was the easier end-game content which is why it was perfectly designed because the risk vs reward was perfect. No one asked for Savage style content because no one did Savage Second Coil as it only gave a title.

Then Yoshida admits they didn't balance Savage A3 and A4 and balanced the relic around Savage A4 timing. So yeah, considering their main excuse is lack of resources to do certain designs (look back on last 3 live letters) it is hard for SE to do anything now that they don't have 200+ people on the project.


So unless someone can explain in full detail the fact you haven't or won't do certain content doesn't come down to: "I don't feel like learning it/I'm not skill enough to do it" then by all means I'll gladly see that point of view. Otherwise, it's a bit hard to say it's anything other than a choice because the guy..who runs the game, that people adamantly defend and even argue against when they don't realize it's his own words (YoshiP) stated all content is designed to be cleared without large time investments, which again, is why even people WHO DO raid content complained about Savage Alexander, even if they cleared it, because it was poorly designed.

So if extreme primals are out of reach, that's not the game's problem, that's not the other player's problems. If Coil was out of reach, that's simply because you chose not to do it. Most people were stuck on Turn 5, even some of the good players until SE adjusted it (it was actually broken) which means most people were able to do 1-4 who attempted it because...they put in the time and effort. If you have 4 hours to stand around RPing or doing Lords of Verminion or standing around stalking the party finder for Ifrit Hard Mode farming or whatever, you have time to dedicate to learning other content...you simply....

*drumroll*

Chose not to.

Edited, Jan 4th 2016 6:04am by Theonehio

I agree. But let's leave out the hyperbole. Statements like "Coil is the best endgame XIV will ever have" are just nonsense.



At some point in the future one of two things will happen:

1: Yoshi P will come to understand that pleasing everyone at once is impossible.
2: Yoshi P will have a psychotic episode.

3: Both at once. And the resulting content will be awesome.

Uhh, no, I tried a lot at these things, with mixed success. Some things, like T13, remain unbeaten. T9 could have easily remained unbeaten too, because I pretty much only got a fluke win and was essentially carried through it. It isn't from lack of trying.

Not everything can be explained off as easily as you claim

The sad thing is that I didn't even have to scour the thread for it because I had already quoted you. May your excuses bring you all the solace you need in the future. Just as you can't be bothered to put forth the effort to make a successful raid, you can't put forth the attention to hold a simple conversation. Stay free Thayos, stay free.

How do you make the effort:


Cant join or make a static because you work hours that change weekly so you cant commit to anything schedule based because you might be free both days one week, one day the next and 0 days the next three weeks because of your always changing work schedule, not everyone works a mon-fri 9-5 shift that everyone seems to schedule this game around.


2) Make a party...... its a progression party or has fist time in it... it never fills

3) join a party... oh wait you cant cause they all say must have experience, cleared, no bonus etc etc.



So how do you make an effort then?

The term 'all but' means 'very nearly' unless it's being used as exclusion, which is clearly not the case here.

Edited, Jan 5th 2016 6:27pm by FilthMcNasty